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Message par MOSSAD » 19 mars 2007, 20:16

Et toi ignores-tu les avertissement de Zbignew Brzezinski qui dit que les USA pourraient créer une opération false flag, une attaque contre sa propre population et sur son propre territoire, de manière à blâmer l'Iran et déclencher la guerre?

Brzezinski Suggests False Flag Event Could Kick-Start Iran War
Top globalist warns Congress of provocation or terrorist attack inside U.S.
Tuesday, February 6, 2007
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/fe ... seflag.htm

Brzezinski confirme que les États-Unis peuvent organiser des attentats sur leur propre territoire - par Réseau Voltaire - 2007-02-11
http://www.mondialisation.ca/index.php? ... cleId=4745

Wiki dit de Brzezinski qu'il :
"... a été Conseiller à la sécurité nationale du Président des États-Unis Jimmy Carter, de 1977 à 1981. Sa femme est née Emilie-Anne Beneš, nièce de l'ancien président Tchécoslovaque Edvard Beneš, ce qui accroîtra la suspicion soviétique à son égard, notamment lors l'élection du pape Jean-Paul II et de la crise polonaise de l'été 80 qui verra la naissance du syndicat Solidarité.

Son père était diplomate de la République de Pologne. Zbigniew Brzezinski fait ses études à Montréal puis à Boston, … Il est devenu expert au Center for strategic and international studies de Washington et professeur à l'Université Johns Hopkins de Baltimore. Il est l'auteur de plusieurs études et analyses sur le bouleversement et le rôle de États-Unis dans le monde. Il est le fondateur en 1973 de la commission Trilatérale et dirige également le comité pour la paix en Tchétchénie.
Le Shah d'Iran avec Atherton, Sullivan, Vance, Carter et Brzezinski, 1977

Ouvrages
Zbigniew Brzeziński a notamment écrit Le Grand Échiquier (Hachette, 1997). Ce livre n'étant plus vraiment d'actualité suite aux évènements du 11 septembre 2001, il en édita une version actualisée sous le titre Le Vrai Choix en 2004 (The Choice: global domination or global leadership, paru chez Basic Books). Dans la version de 1997, il affirmait qu'un nouveau Pearl Harbour serait nécessaire pour faire accepter à la population les projets militaires et impérialistes américains.

Sa théorie exposée dans cet ouvrage se base sur l'idée que l'amélioration du monde et sa stabilité dépendent du maintien de l'hégémonie américaine. Toute puissance concurrente est dès lors considérée comme une menace pour la stabilité mondiale. Mais contrairement à l'unilatéralisme du président George W. Bush, il est plutôt pro-européen. Son unique but est de maintenir et développer l'hégémonie des Etats Unis d'Amérique, considérant que c'est ce qu'il y a de mieux pour le monde. Son discours est franc et direct, ce qui n'exclut pas un certain cynisme."
Alors si tu te crois mieux informé que Brzezinski, t'es dû pour l'asile...

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Schizo

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Message par El Kabong » 19 mars 2007, 20:32

Salut à tous,

Brzezinski est un schizoïd. 0 crédibilité.
Il fait une psychose paranoïaque, il voit des communistes partout.
Quand une merde pareille conseille un gouvernement...pas étonnant que ça aille mal.
Conclusion: On est dirigés par des malades!

Eh Maussade, fait application comme Pape. Le Vatican cherche quelqu'un qui fait des bulles interminables et dont on perd le sens rapidement.
En tant fan de la Gestapo (Mossad même combat) tu pourrais diriger la Très Sainte Inquisition de Rat-zing-her.

Santé si c'est pas trop tard...

MOSSAD

#53

Message par MOSSAD » 20 mars 2007, 01:29

C'est vrai que Brzezinski a une crédibilité chancelante.

IL A LUI-MÊME CRÉÉ LES MUDJAHIDINS, COMME PROJET DE LA CIA ALLIANT FORMATION INTENSIVE CIA ET CHARIA ISLAMIQUE!!

Il parle un DOUBLE-LANGAGE... Double-speak... comme dans 1984 (Orwell)!

il pose comme la colombe de paix... alors qu'il a lui-même posé les plans de la restructuration mondiale en blocs géopolitiques à la 1984, avec les USA comme superpuissance mondiale imposant sa domination par son complexe-militaro-industriel et la dissuation nucléaire! (The Grand Chessboard, American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives)

Interviewé par le Nouvel Observateur, Brzezinski dit:
LES REVELATIONS D’UN ANCIEN CONSEILLER DE CARTER

Oui, la CIA est entrée en afghanistan avant les Russes...

Le Nouvel Observateur - L’ancien directeur de la CIA Robert Gates l’affirme dans ses Mémoires : les services secrets américains ont commencé à aider les moudjahidine afghans six mois avant l’intervention soviétique. A l’époque, vous étiez le conseiller du président Carter pour les affaires de sécurité ; vous avez donc joué un rôle clé dans cette affaire. Vous confirmez ?

Zbigniew Brzezinski. - Oui.
Selon la version officielle de l’histoire, l’aide de la CIA aux moudjahidine a débuté courant 1980, c’est-à-dire après que l’armée soviétique eut envahi l’afghanistan, le 24 décembre 1979. Mais la réalité, gardée secrète jusqu’à présent, est tout autre : c’est en effet le 3 juillet 1979 que le président Carter a signé la première directive sur l’assistance clandestine aux opposants du régime prosoviétique de Kaboul. Et ce jour-là, j’ai écrit une note au président dans laquelle je lui expliquais qu’à mon avis cette aide allait entraîner une intervention militaire des Soviétiques.

N. O. - Malgré ce risque, vous étiez partisan de cette « covert action » [opération clandestine]. Mais peut-être même souhaitiez-vous cette entrée en guerre des Soviétiques et cherchiez-vous à la provoquer ?

Z. Brzezinski - Ce n’est pas tout à fait cela. Nous n’avons pas poussé les Russes à intervenir, mais nous avons sciemment augmenté la probabilité qu’ils le fassent.

N. O. - Lorsque les Soviétiques ont justifié leur intervention en affirmant qu’ils entendaient lutter contre une ingérence secrète des Etats-Unis en afghanistan, personne ne les a crus. Pourtant, il y avait un fond de vérité... Vous ne regrettez rien aujourd’hui ?

Z. Brzezinski - Regretter quoi ? Cette opération secrète était une excellente idée. Elle a eu pour effet d’attirer les Russes dans le piège afghan et vous voulez que je le regrette ? Le jour où les Soviétiques ont officiellement franchi la frontière, j’ai écrit au président Carter, en substance : « Nous avons maintenant l’occasion de donner à l’URSS sa guerre du Vietnam. » De fait, Moscou a dû mener pendant presque dix ans une guerre insupportable pour le régime, un conflit qui a entraîné la démoralisation et finalement l’éclatement de l’empire soviétique.

N. O. - Vous ne regrettez pas non plus d’avoir favorisé l’intégrisme islamiste, d’avoir donné des armes, des conseils à de futurs terroristes ?

Z. Brzezinski. - Qu’est-ce qui est le plus important au regard de l’histoire du monde ? Les talibans ou la chute de l’empire soviétique ? Quelques excités islamistes ou la libération de l’Europe centrale et la fin de la guerre froide ?

N. O. - « Quelques excités » ? Mais on le dit et on le répète : le fondamentalisme islamique représente aujourd’hui une menace mondiale...


Z. Brzezinski - Sottises ! Il faudrait, dit-on, que l’Occident ait une politique globale à l’égard de l’islamisme. C’est stupide : il n’y a pas d’islamisme global. Regardons l’islam de manière rationnelle et non démagogique ou émotionnelle. C’est la première religion du monde avec 1,5 milliard de fidèles. Mais qu’y a-t-il de commun entre l’Arabie Saoudite fondamentaliste, le Maroc modéré, le Pakistan militariste, l’Egypte pro-occidentale ou l’Asie centrale sécularisée ? Rien de plus que ce qui unit les pays de la chrétienté...
http://perso.cs3i.fr/do/ag/354.htm

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Message par MOSSAD » 20 mars 2007, 21:50

Israel's right to be racist
By Joseph MASSAD
The writer is associate professor of modern Arab politics and intellectual history at Columbia University. This is an abridged version of an article that originally appeared on Al-Ahram Weekly. Email: http://www.thenation.com
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=47566
Israel is willing to do anything to convince Palestinians and other Arabs of why it needs and deserves to have the right to be racist. Even at the level of theory, and before it began to realise itself on the ground, the Zionist colonial project sought different means by which it could convince the people whose lands it wanted to steal and against whom it wanted to discriminate to accept as understandable its need to be racist. All it required was that the Palestinians "recognise its right to exist" as a racist state. Military methods were by no means the only persuasive tools available; there were others, including economic and cultural incentives. Zionism from the start offered some Palestinians financial benefits if they would accede to its demand that it should have the right to be racist.

Indeed, the State of Israel still does. Many Palestinian officials in the Palestinian Authority and the Palestine Liberation Organisation have been offered and have accepted numerous financial incentives to recognise this crucial Israeli need. Those among the Palestinians who regrettably continue to resist are being penalised for their intransigence by economic choking and starvation, supplemented by regular bombardment and raids, as well as international isolation.

These persuasive methods, Israel hopes, will finally convince a recalcitrant population to recognise the dire need of Israel to be a racist state. After all, Israeli racism only manifests in its flag, its national anthem, and a bunch of laws that are necessary to safeguard Jewish privilege, including the Law of Return (1950), the Law of Absentee Property (1950), the Law of the State's Property (1951), the Law of Citizenship (1952), the Status Law (1952), the Israel Lands Administration Law (1960), the Construction and Building Law (1965), and the 2002 temporary law banning marriage between Israelis and Palestinians of the occupied territories.

Let us start with why Israel and Zionism need to ensure that Israel remains a racist state by law and why it deserves to have that right. The rationale is primarily threefold and is based on the following claims.

Jews are always in danger out in the wide world; only in a state that privileges them racially and religiously can they be safe from gentile oppression and can prosper. If Israel removed its racist laws and symbols and became a non-racist democratic state, Jews would cease to be a majority and would be like Diaspora Jews, a minority in a non-Jewish state.

These concerns are stated clearly by Israeli leaders individually and collectively. Shimon Peres, for example, the dove of official Israel, has been worried for some time about the Palestinian demographic "danger", as the Green Line, which separates Israel from the West Bank, is beginning to "disappear ... which may lead to the linking of the futures of West Bank Palestinians with Israeli Arabs". He hoped that the arrival of 100,000 Jews in Israel would postpone this demographic "danger" for 10 more years, as ultimately, he stressed, "demography will defeat geography".

It is important to stress that this Zionist rationale is correct on all counts if one accepts the proposition of Jewish exceptionalism. Remember that Zionism and Israel are very careful not to generalise the principles that justify Israel's need to be racist but are rather vehement in upholding it as an exceptional principle. It is not that no other people has been oppressed historically, it is that Jews have been oppressed more. It is not that no other people's cultural and physical existence has been threatened; it is that the Jews' cultural and physical existence is threatened more. This quantitative equation is key to why the world, and especially Palestinians, should recognise that Israel needs and deserves to have the right to be a racist state. If the Palestinians, or anyone else, reject this, then they must be committed to the annihilation of the Jewish people physically and culturally, not to mention that they would be standing against the Judeo-Christian God.

It is true that Palestinian and Arab leaders were not easily persuaded of these special needs that Israel has; that it took decades of assiduous efforts on the part of Israel to convince them, especially through "military" means. In the last three decades they have shown signs of coming around. Though Anwar El-Sadat inaugurated that shift in 1977, it would take Yasser Arafat longer to recognise Israel's needs. But Israel remained patient and became more innovative in its persuasive instruments, especially its military ones.

When Arafat came to his senses and signed the Oslo Accords in 1993, he finally recognised Israel's right to be racist and to legally discriminate against its own Palestinian citizens. For that belated recognition, a magnanimous Israel, still eager for peace, decided to negotiate with him. He, however, continued to resist on some issues. For Arafat had hoped that his recognition of Israel's need to be racist inside Israel was in exchange for Israel ending its racist apartheid system in the occupied territories. That was clearly a misunderstanding on his part.

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Message par Laurent_Outang » 20 mars 2007, 21:57

Une belle photo du Titanic

On voi très bien les trasses d'eksplozion.
He who thinks by the inch and talks by the yard deserves to be kicked by the foot. (Proverbe chinois)

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Message par MOSSAD » 20 mars 2007, 22:13

C'est pas de ça dont il est question sur ce topic!
Laurent, vas donc jouer ailleurs pauvre con!
Va donc écrire ça dans le bon topic premièrement!

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Message par Laurent_Outang » 20 mars 2007, 22:28

MOSSAD a écrit :C'est pas de ça dont il est question sur ce topic!
Laurent, vas donc jouer ailleurs pauvre con!
Va donc écrire ça dans le bon topic premièrement!
Va poster toutes tes conneries sur TON blog !
He who thinks by the inch and talks by the yard deserves to be kicked by the foot. (Proverbe chinois)

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Il y a pourtant une solution toute simple

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Message par Denis » 20 mars 2007, 22:37


Salut Mossad,

À Laurent, tu dis :
C'est pas de ça dont il est question sur ce topic!
Apparemment, vous n'avez pas exactement le même coeur du sujet.

C'est normal.

Puisque vous n'êtes pas d'accord sur de gros points concernant les événements du 9/11, ce n'est certainement pas pour les mêmes raisons. Chacun a donc son coeur du sujet : ses raisons de penser ce qu'il pense. Et ce n'est pas en monologuant sur ses trottinettes sans s'occuper des bulldozers de l'autre qu'on fait avancer le débat.

Heureusement, il y a une façon toute simple (et moderne) de contenter tout le monde. Grâce à la merveilleuse Caractéristique 15, chacun peut librement aborder son coeur du sujet et forcer l'autre à ne pas l'éviter. (Voir aussi la Caractéristique 7)

Ce n'est pas pour rien si le Redico est un bon 20~25 fois plus efficace que le stérile style libre pour détordre un noeud d'opinions. Les Caractéristiques 7 et 15 y sont pour beaucoup.

:) Denis
Les meilleures sorties de route sont celles qui font le moins de tonneaux.

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Message par Petrov » 21 mars 2007, 00:41

Laurent_Outang a écrit :
MOSSAD a écrit :C'est pas de ça dont il est question sur ce topic!
Laurent, vas donc jouer ailleurs pauvre con!
Va donc écrire ça dans le bon topic premièrement!
Va poster toutes tes conneries sur TON blog !
Tiens, il se fache le singe. Mange une banane ça va passer.

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Message par MOSSAD » 22 mars 2007, 06:41

"Our race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." (6th Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parlament], quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982)
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Menachem Begin was strongly influenced by Ze'ev Jabotinsky's Iron Wall theory, he stated to Eliahu Ben-Elissar (the director general of the PM's office):

"The deterrent power, or in Jabotinsky's language THE IRON WALL, was intended to convince the Arabs that they would not be able to get rid of the sovereign Jewish presence in the Land of Israeli, even if they would not bring themselves to recognize the justice of the Jewish people's claim to the homeland." (Iron Wall, p. 354)
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A few years after the end of World War II, the Zionist plan to establish the nation of Israel in Palestine was finally realized. But not before the British protectors of Palestine were chased out by acts of terror carried out by ungrateful Zionist terrorists. It was the British who had taken Palestine away from Arab control and allowed the jews of Europe to immigrate there. But with Great Britain weakened and in debt from the war, the ungrateful Zionists saw their opportunity to chase the British out of Palestine by committing acts of terrorism against them. The most notorious of the Zionist terror groups was the Irgun, whose leader Menachem Begin would one day go on to become Prime Minister of Israel!

On the morning of July 22, 1946, of 15-20 Irgun terrorists dressed as Arabs entered the King David Hotel in Jerusalem. They unloaded 225 kilograms of THE KING DAVID HOTEL, BEGIN'S BLOODY WORKexplosives hidden in milk churns. (1) The King David Hotel housed the Secretariat of the Government of Palestine and Headquarters of the British Forces in Palestine. When a British officer became suspicious, a shootout took place and the Irgun lit the fuses and fled. The explosion destroyed part of the hotel and killed 91 people. Most of the victims were British but 15 innocent Jews also died, proving that radical Zionists are capable of even killing fellow Jews in order to advance their cause.

The Irgun terror gang also targeted Arab civilians in order to frighten them into evacuating their land. The most well known of these numerous massacres happened at the village of Deir Yassin on the morning of April 9, 1948. More than 100 Arabs, including women and children were brutally butchered by Menachem Begin's murderous gang. (2) The Israelis took over whatever villages from which the terrorized Arabs fled from.

By 1948, the British had had enough of Palestine. Under intense Zionist lobbying, the UN, UK and US recognized the nation of Israel in 1948. One of the first acts of the new Israeli government was to pass "the law of return", which gives any Jew in the world the right to move to Israel and become a citizen. Understandably, the Arab nations weren't too pleased about this. There would be a several wars that followed. But the Israelis and their free arsenal of America's finest weapons kept the Arabs from reclaiming their land. The Arabs have never been a match for the US-supplied Israeli war machine. The irony of "the law of return" is that many of today's Jews have no direct ancestral link to the Jews of the Old Testament. Many, perhaps even most, Jewish people are descended from the Khazars, a people whose rulers converted to Judaism sometime during the 800's AD. (3) The Khazars never even set foot in Palestine!

The brutal and criminal circumstances surrounding the creation of Israel are now a half century in the past. Even most Arabs understand that Israel isn't going to go away. But by reviewing this real history, we can better understand the deceptive, dangerous, and brutal nature of international Zionism today.

DEIR YASSIN STILL REMEMBERED. RECITATION OF THE NAMES OF THE VICTIMS OF BEGIN'S MASSACRE APRIL 2002, ST. JOHN'S CHURCH

The word "Terrorist" was coined by the British media in 1947 in reference to Jewish tactics against the British in Palestine.

Footnotes
1. Britain's Small Wars.
2. Deir Yassin Remembered.
3. The Khazaria Information Center.
"We Created Terror Among the Arabs"
The Deir Yassin Massacre
William James Martin

On April 9, 1948, members of the underground Jewish terrorist group, the Irgun, or IZL, led by Menachem Begin, who was to become the Israeli prime minister in 1977, entered the peaceful Arab village of Deir Yassin, massacred 250 men, women, children and the elderly, and stuffed many of the bodies down wells. There were also reports of rapes and mutilations. The Irgun was joined by the Jewish terrorist group, the Stern Gang, led by Yitzhak Shamir, who subsequently succeeded Begin as prime minister of Israel in the early ’80s, and also by the Haganah, the militia under the control of David Ben Gurian. The Irgun, the Stern Gang and the Haganah later joined to form the Israeli Defense Force. Their tactics have not changed.

The massacre at Deir Yassin was widely publicized by the terrorists and the numerous heaped corpses displayed to the media. In Jaffe, which was at the time 98 percent Arab, as well as in other Arab communities, speaker trucks drove through the streets warning the population to flee and threatening another Deir Yassin. Begin said at the time, "We created terror among the Arabs and all the villages around. In one blow, we changed the strategic situation."

From about 1938 on to the founding of Israel, Begin was the leader of the Irgun. That group regularly assassinated English soldiers in Palestine and frequently hung their booby-trapped bodies in public places. Under Begin, the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem in 1946, killing 97 British civil servants. The Stern Gang, under Shamir, also assassinated the U.N. representative to Palestine, Count Bernadotte, in 1948.

But Deir Yassin was not the only massacre by the Israeli Defense Force. That army, under Moshe Dayan, took the unarmed and undefended village of al-Dawazyma, located in the Hebron hills, massacred 80 to 100 of its residents, and threw their bodies into pits. "The children were killed by breaking their heads with sticks ... The remaining Arabs were then sealed in houses, as the village was systematically razed ..." (Nur Masalha, The Historical Roots of the Palestinian Refugee Question).

We read further. According to Yitzhak Rabin’s biography :

We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Alon repeated his question : "What is to be done with the population ?" BG waved his hand in a gesture, which said : Drive them out ! ... I agreed that it was essential to drive the inhabitants out.

Continuing the narrative, Ben-Gurion University historian Benny Morris writes in "Operation Dani and the Palestinian Exodus from Lydda and Ramle in 1948", Middle East Journal, 40

At 13.30 hours on 12 July [1948]... Lieutenant-Colonel Yitzhak Rabin, operation Dani head Operation, issued the following order : ’1. The inhabitants of Lydda must be expelled quickly without attention to age. They should be directed to Beit Nabala,... Implement Immediately.’ A similar order was issued at the same time to the Kiryati Brigade concerning the inhabitants of the neighboring town of Ramle, occupied by Kiryati troops that morning... On 12 and 13 July, the Yaftah brigades carried out their orders, expelling the 50-60,000 remaining inhabitants of and refugees camped in and around the two towns....

About noon on 13 July, Operation Dani HQ informed IDF General Staff/Operations : ’Lydda police fort has been captured. [The troops] are busy expelling the inhabitants.... Lydda’s inhabitants were forced to walk eastward to the Arab legion lines ; many of Ramle’s inhabitants were ferried in trucks or buses. Clogging the roads... the tens of thousands of refugees marched, gradually shedding their worldly goods along the way. It was a hot summer day. The Arab chroniclers, such as Sheikh Muhammed Nimr al Khatib, claimed that hundreds of children died in the march, from dehydration and disease. One Israeli witness described the spoor : the refugee column ’to begin with [jettisoned] utensils and furniture and, in the end, bodies of men, women, and children.

There were many other such villages with Arabic names that have almost been expunged from memory--but not quite. These facts have always been known to some historians, however they have been consistently denied by the official Israeli histories, as, indeed, Israel has never taken any responsibility for the exodus of Palestinians from the land of the present state of Israel.

Within the last 10 to 20 years, however, there has been an exponential increase in historical studies of the origins of the state of Israel which have coincided with the release by Israel of many, but not all, of the historical and military archives. Ben-Gurion University historian Benny Morris, as well as others, have systematically mined these documents and found numerous instances of massacres, and, by the way, not one shred of evidence for the frequently repeated official Israeli lie that the Palestinians fled Palestine because the surrounding Arab states told them to.

In fact, according to UN estimates, which some say are conservative, 750,000 Palestinians fled the site of the present Jewish state in 1948. Those refugees and their descendents now number about 4.5 million and constitute the largest and longest standing refugee population in the world. Many live in squalid refugee camps distributed in the surrounding Arab states or in the West Bank or Gaza, many retain the titles to their land, recognized by the British before 1948 or the Ottomans before that , and many retain the keys to their front doors of their former homes in what is now Israel, whether or not those doors still exists.

The ’67 War generated a second wave of about 300,000 refugees from the West Bank and Gaza who were either expelled through direct or psychological methods or fled the Israel aerial attacks on the territories which included the extensive use of napalm.

The reader is invited to read the Hagana’s Plan D , which has been available in English since the 1960s and was a military strategy of 1948 that entailed the evacuation of the Palestinian population from the areas of a future Jewish state.

Those who invoke the suicide bombings against mostly Israeli civilians to infer the righteousness of the Israeli cause live in a twilight of psychic denial of an otherwise unambiguous historical record : the state of Israel was founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing.

The suicide bombings inside Israel, the first of which only occurred in 1994, after 25 years of occupation, is only a side show. That is a symptom and long way from the heart of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

There will never be a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict until Israel takes responsibility, under U.N. Resolution 194, calling for reparation of the Palestinian refugees, and recognizes the immense suffering it caused at that time. We need also to recognize the US is giving unqualified moral support to a state that is based on racial purity and one that is intrinsically expansionist.
1-Stealing 80% of the Palestinians’ land.

2-Killing innocent, unarmed, Palestinian men, women, and children.

3-Practicing Apartheid, and Genocide, in Palestine.

4-Building an enormous dividing wall in Palestine, without the Palestinians’ permission.

5-Behaving like tyrannical, racist, bullies.

6-Demolishing thousands of Palestinian homes (often with the occupants still inside).

7-Burning thousands of Palestinian homes, orchards and farms.

8-Unlawfully confiscating Palestinian properties, machinery and animals.

9-Raping, and murdering, Palestinian girls.

10-Massacres and Atrocities inflicted upon the innocent, unarmed, Palestinian civilians.

11-Torturing approximately 125,000 Palestinian prisoners, for decades.

12-Forcing 1.3 million Palestinians (at gunpoint) to abandon their homes, their farms and their ancestral homeland.

13-Breaking the arms and legs of children for throwing stones at Israeli tanks

14-Poisoning the water wells of Palestinians, with arsenic, to make them leave their homes and villages.

15-Ignoring dozens of United Nations Resolutions, since 1948.

16-Assasinating politicians, and leaders of the Palestinian Authority.

17-Terrorising Palestinian families, in the middle of the night, with “Gestapo style” raids.

18-Treating the Palestinian civilians like sub-human creatures.

19-Deliberately harassing, and bullying, Palestinian civilians at countless “check points”, and “road blocks”.

20-Crushing demonstrators to death, with bulldozers.

21-Desecrating Mosques and Muslim Holy Books.

22-Renaming dozens of stolen Palestinian towns and villages with Hebrew names.
The following types of ammunition were used by Israeli forces

* cluster bombs

* depleted uranium bombs – including an order during the war by Israel from the US for 100 more GBU-28 5000 lb. depleted uranium warhead bombs

* depleted uranium 105mm and 120mm tank rounds [Info from Major Doug Rokke which he saw in the news]

* missiles (probably DU)

* white phosphorous weapons

* Baccilus globigii – bioweapon which makes people vomit but does not result in death. (A military source said this was determined from color coding on the weapons) This weapon was used in southern Lebanon and reported that it suddenly caused people to get sick.

* Reports from MDs treating the wounded describing new kinds of wounds never seen before which may be laser weapons. The US has them (classified) on the ABRAMS tanks. There were certainly Directed Energy Weapons. (DEW) used by Israel because shrunken bodies and other types of indicators were reported by Lebanese MDs, descriptions exactly like wounds etc. reported in Baghdad at the airport in 2003 and since.

* Toxic chemicals. Lebanese MDs working with the dead and wounded reported horrific new types of wounds and causes of death. In every war new weapons are tested and old weapons are dumped.
Irgun official terror website
http://www.etzel.org.il/english/

Irgun terror documents released
March 7th, 200
http://arabist.net/archives/2006/03/07/ ... -released/

"We Created Terror Among the Arabs"
The Deir Yassin Massacre
William James Martin http://www.peuplesmonde.com/article.php3?id_article=446

Terror – The Signature Smell of Zionism
Written by Andrew Winkler, Saturday, 13 January 2007
http://www.ziopedia.org/content/view/2979/58/

Hamas: A Pale Image of the Jewish Irgun And Lehi Gangs
By Donald Neff Washington Report, May/June 2006, pages 14-15
http://www.wrmea.com/archives/May-June_ ... 05014.html

Timeline of Zionist Terror from a UN committee 01 October 1948
http://www.doublestandards.org/unbunche.html

Terrorism and the origins of Israel—Part 1
By Jean Shaoul 21 June 2003
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jun20 ... -j21.shtml
Terrorism and the origins of Israel—Part 2
By Jean Shaoul 23 June 2003
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jun20 ... -j23.shtml

The Revisionist Background of Jewish Terrorism in Israel, by Joseph Heller
http://www.geocities.com/alabasters_arc ... round.html

The Bombing of the King David Hotel
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... David.html

Israel should remember its own 'terrorist' origins
The Independent (London), Jul 24, 2006, by JOHANN HARI
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/ ... _n16642808

Israel is The Mother of Terrorism in The Middle East, by Dr. Elias Akleh, June 26, 2006
http://www.illuminati-news.com/062706b.htm

The Rise of Jewish Terrorism
http://www.gods-kingdom.org/Birthright/ ... pter11.htm

British Outraged at Zionist Terrorism Celebration 27/7/2006
http://uk.altermedia.info/general/briti ... _1062.html

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Message par Gédehem » 22 mars 2007, 08:05

Je me demande comment un site peut encore accepter de laisser des mensonges antisémites sur son forum !!!!

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Gédehem a écrit :Je me demande comment un site peut encore accepter de laisser des mensonges antisémites sur son forum !!!!
Quels mensonges exactement, et qu'est-ce qui est antisémites? Critiquer Israel ne l'est pas en tout cas.

Le peuple juif n'est pas différant que le peuple Canadien ou Américain: ils sont controllé par les globalistes. Leurs dirrigeants sont des criminels, tout comme les notres. Y'a pas de mal à les critiquers.

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Message par Gédehem » 22 mars 2007, 16:27

Critiquer Israël et son gouvernement est normal mais pas en falsifiant des déclarations qui puent l'antisémitisme primaire !

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Salut Gédehem,

Tu dis :
Je me demande comment un site peut encore accepter de laisser des mensonges antisémites sur son forum !!!!
Je t'invite cordialement à te joindre à Laurent_Outang, Adhémar et moi dans la discussion-Redico qui commence, et qui porte pas mal sur ce thème. Elle est ici.

Amicalement,

:) Denis
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Gédehem a écrit :Critiquer Israël et son gouvernement est normal mais pas en falsifiant des déclarations qui puent l'antisémitisme primaire !
Example svp? Et encore falsifier des nouvelles, les medias le font quotidiennement, ils sont antisémite?

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Message par MOSSAD » 22 mars 2007, 20:06

Menachem Begin était un fervent terroriste du mouvement extrémiste sioniste Irgun, lequel s'est transformé par la suite en un parti politique : le Likud. Menachem Begin se vantait "We Created Terror Among the Arabs".

"We Created Terror Among the Arabs": The Deir Yassin Massacre,
William James Martin http://www.peuplesmonde.com/article.php3?id_article=446

Le site web officiel de l'Irgun raconte leurs exploits terroristes.
http://www.etzel.org.il/english

Israël a été fondé sur le terrorisme, le massacre et l'humiliation des Palestiniens.

Sharon est sans contexte un criminel de guerre.

Netanyahu et Olmert sont des fervents partisans de Jabotinski, le fondateur du mouvement révisionniste sioniste qui justifia la création de l'Irgun.

Ce sont des faits, pas des théories du omplot ni de l'antisémitisme.

De nombreux groupes Juifs traditionnels dénoncent vertement le sionisme (y en a ici qui confondent anti-sionisme et antisémitisme: preuve d'ignorance CRASSE!) http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com

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Message par MOSSAD » 22 mars 2007, 20:10

Soros and Media Heavyweights Attack Pro-Israel Lobby's Influence on U.S. Policy, by Nathan Guttman, Forward, 22 Mar 2007
http://www.forward.com/articles/soros-a ... srael-lob/
Washington - The simmering debate over American policy toward Israel and the role of the Jewish community in shaping it exploded with near-nuclear force this week. Several of the nation’s best-known international affairs commentators fired salvos at pro-Israel lobbyists and defenders of Israel fired back with unprecedented fury.

In the space of three days, major critiques of Jewish lobbying were published by controversial billionaire George Soros, Pulitzer Prize-winning columnist Nicholas Kristof, the respected British newsmagazine The Economist and the popular Web site Salon.

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Message par Abel Chemoul » 22 mars 2007, 22:58

MOSSAD a écrit :Il faut s'assurer que le débat ne tourne pas dans des accusations de négationnisme.

En effet, des scpetiques de la thèse "le CO2 produit par l'homme cause le réchauffement planétaire" ont été comparés aux négationnistes de l'Holocauste... Accusations vraiment honteuses et de mauvaise foi.
Si pour vous les accusations de négationnisme sont si infâmantes, pourquoi avoir posté sur ce forum de nombreux liens renvoyant ves des sites négationnistes et, concernant le 9/11, pourquoi vous fier aux "travaux" de "journalistes" comme Bollyn ou Hufschmid qui sont des négationnistes déclarés et complètement allumés au point de considérer que la grande majorité des personnalités conspirationnistes, comme par exemple Alex Jones ou les auteurs de Loose Change, sont des "crypto-Juifs" à la solde de la "Mafia sioniste"?

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Message par Petrov » 23 mars 2007, 00:02

Ça m'étonne vraiment que ce topic soit encore là :lol: La pression doit être forte hein abel?

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Message par MOSSAD » 23 mars 2007, 01:59

Terreur sioniste

Netanyahu, du parti de droite Likud (extension politique du mouvement terroriste sioniste Irgun (Etzel) fondé par Jabotinsky), a écrit en 1986 l'ouvrage "Terrorism: How the West Can Win". Sa prémonition de la 'Guerre au terrorisme' en Irak et en Afghanistan est tout simplement incroyable. Il appelle les USA et les Européens à combattre les ennemis d'Israël. Selon lui, les Palestiniens et les 'Arabes' (sic) ne sont que des terroristes, et l'Occident doit impérativement les combattre.

À la suite de Netanyahu, une autre incroyable prémonition: celle des trois auteurs (Ashton B. Carter, John M. Deutch, Philip D. Zelikow) de l'article paru dans Foreign Affairs en 1998 "The 'Catastrophic Terrorism': Imagining the Transforming Event".

Je cite:
The bombings in East Africa killed hundreds. A successful attack with weapons of mass destruction could certainly take thousands, or tens of thousands, of lives. If the device that exploded in 1993 under the World Trade Center had been nuclear, or had effectively dispersed a deadly pathogen, the resulting horror and chaos would have exceeded our ability to describe it.

Such an act of catastrophic terrorism would be a watershed event in American history. It could involve loss of life and property unprecedented in peacetime and undermine America's fundamental sense of security, as did the Soviet atomic bomb test in 1949. Like Pearl Harbor, this event would divide our past and future into a before and after.

The United States might respond with draconian measures, scaling back civil liberties, allowing wider surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects, and use of deadly force. More violence could follow, either further terrorist attacks or U.S. counterattacks. Belatedly, Americans would judge their leaders negligent for not addressing terrorism more urgently.
(Tout cela préfigure le plan NÉOCONSERVATEUR du PNAC (Plan for a New American Century) qui appelle aussi 'un nouveau Pearl Harbor' qui leur permettra d'étendre l'hégémonie militaro-industrielle étasunienne sur la surface du globe et particulièrement au Moyen-Orient.)

DANS CE MÊME NUMÉRO DE FOREIGN AFFAIRS, BERNARD LEWIS (CHRÉTIEN DE DROITE ET GOUROU NÉOCONSERVATEUR DANS LA LUTTE AU TERRORISME MUSULMAN) PUBLIE UN ARTICLE SUR BEN LADEN!!

Ashton B. Carter is a Ford Foundation Professor of Science and International Affairs at Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government and a former Assistant Secretary of Defense. The 1998 essay he co-wrote with Deutch and Zelikow was published in a book he wrote with William Perry entitled Preventive Defense: An American Security Strategy for the 21st Century.

Carter is also a member of the Board of Trustees for MITRE, where he was a trustee from 1988 to 1993. The MITRE Corp. is a major defense contracting organization based in Bedford, Massachusetts, which is headed by the former Director of Central Intelligence (DCI), Dr. James Rodney Schlesinger. MITRE's crucial communication, command and control systems clearly failed on 9/11, something that deserves investigating.

See Bollyn: Is MITRE Corp. the Trojan Horse of 9/11?1 April 2005
http://www.iamthewitness.com/Bollyn-MITRE.html

From 2001 to 2002, Carter served on the National Academy of Sciences Committee on Science and Technology for Countering Terrorism and advised on the creation of the Department of Homeland Security.

Carter is also a senior partner in a company called Global Technology Partners, LLC (GTP), of which William J. Perry is the chairman. John Mark Deutch, the former Director of Central Intelligence and co-author of the article, is also a senior partner in GTP.

AFFILIATE OF ROTHSCHILD

What is GTP? Global Technology Partners, LLC is "an exclusive affiliate of Rothschild North America, formed to make acquisitions of and investments in technology, defense and aerospace-related companies," according to a biographical sketch of one of the corporation's senior partners, Paul G. Kaminski.

Elsewhere it is described as "an aerospace and defense investment banking boutique affiliated with the Rothschild Group" or "a professional services firm associated with the Rothschild Group of investment banks."

So Ashton B. Carter, John M. Deutch, William J. Perry, and the other fellows at GTP work for and with the Rothschild family, the Jewish financiers of governments and founders of the state of Israel.

This explains how Deutch, who was born in Belgium, and his father, who was born in Russia and who only came to the United States in 1940, were so quickly advanced within the Washington power structure.

Deutch's father, Michael J. Deutch, was born in Smolensk, Russia in 1907. The Deutch family came to the United States in 1940 where Michael quickly became deputy director at the War Production Board, in charge of making synthetic rubber.

A December 27, 1946 article in the Chicago Tribune entitled "List Alien 'Rulers' in U.S." listed some of the foreigners found in a secret 71-page report who had received high government wartime posts. Michael J. Deutch was one of them. "Correspondence passing between the Secretary of the Interior and the Office of War Mobilization indicate that Deutch was pushed up the ladder of promotion with unusual vigor by some one," the secret report from the House Committee on Un-American Activities said.

Michael Deutch was a Russian Jew whose family supposedly "fled the Bolshevik Revolution for Belgium." In Belgium, where he studied chemical engineering, he married Rachel Fischer, the daughter of Jean "Yonah" Fischer, a diamond merchant of Antwerp who ran the Zionist Federation of Belgium. This connection could explain why Deutch was promoted so quickly when he came to Washington.

John Deutch's maternal grandfather, Yonah Fischer, was a prominent Zionist and friend of Israel's first president, Chaim Weizmann. Fischer was a very high level Zionist within the international military-political network centered in London. Yonah had extensive business arrangements in Palestine/Israel and even started a town which is named after him - Kefar Yonah.

John Deutch has served as a director of Citigroup and Citibank since 1987. He is also a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT).

Philip David Zelikow is all over 9/11, its aftermath, and the subsequent wars in the Middle East. Three years after warning of "catastrophic terrorism," Zelikow became the Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission, the appointed government whitewash which utterly failed to address the key questions and evidence of the terror attacks of 9/11.

Zelikow, from Houston, served on President George W. Bush's transition team in 2001. After Bush took office, Zelikow was named to the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, and served on the National Commission on Federal Election Reform, which produced the extremely flawed Help America Vote Act of 2002.

Zelikow had been a career foreign service officer overseas and served on to the National Security Council. More recently, Zelikow was a member of the Iraq Study Group, which pretended to study what went wrong with the war.

Zelikow, the grandson of a Russian Jewish immigrant tailor, is very close to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. Zelikow joined the National Security Council in the George H.W. Bush administration, at the same time as Condoleezza Rice. Only recently Zelikow resigned as Counselor of the U.S. Department of State, where he served as a senior policy advisor to the Secretary of State.
Et que dire de Rahm Emanuel?
Rep. Rahm Emanuel, the Democrat congressman for the 5th District of Illinois in Chicago is the son of an Israeli terrorist. Rahm's father, Benjamin, was a member of the Irgun, the Zionist terrorist organization that coined a new word as they blew up hotels, train stations, and other buildings in Palestine in the 1930s and 40s.

Irgun, the army of his father, is short for Irgun Zvai Leumi, which supposedly means something like "National Military Organization" in Hebrew. As a matter of fact, the Irgun was simply a terrorist Zionist group that operated in Palestine from 1931 to 1948. They killed innocent Palestinians and British soldiers and blew up buildings.


After 1948 they became part of the new Israeli government and did the same thing. In September 2001 they put their skills to work in New York City and Washington to kick start the "war on terror" - a conflict long promoted by their chief architect, Bibi Netanyahu, son of the former secretary of Ze'ev Jabotinsky.

The Irgun even has a website with pictures of the buildings they blew up.
http://www.etzel.org.il

In Israel, the Irgun is referred to as Etzel, an acronym of the group's Hebrew initials. The Irgun was considered a terrorist organization by the British authorities as well as by mainstream Zionist and Jewish organizations, such as the Jewish Agency, the Haganah and the Histadrut. (It just has not made it onto the U.S. State Department's list of terrorist organizations – even after blowing up the World Trade Center.)

Irgun was founded by Ze'ev Jabotinsky and the relationship with Jabotinsky's Revisionist Zionism made it the predecessor to Israel's right-wing Herut and Likud parties.

Guess who runs Israel today? Answer: The sons and daughters of Irgun. (Check out the commander list on the Etzel website if you don't believe me http://www.etzel.org.il/english/people/frame.htm )


Guess who runs the United States today? The same people – let's start with Rahm Emanuel.

Of course you won't find anything about Rep. Emanuel's father's exploits in Palestine on Rahm's website: http://www.house.gov/emanuel/aboutrahm.shtml

The late Sherman Skolnick of Chicago called Rahm Emanuel the "Acting Deputy Chief for North America of the Mossad – Israeli Intelligence."
cloakanddagger.de Rahm Emanuel

Skolnick went on to say that Emanuel's father Benjamin had been "part of the Israeli assassin team that murdered Sweden's Count [Folke] Bernadotte" in 1948. Bernadotte was the envoy of the United Nations in Palestine who sought to find a solution to the UN Partition Plan that gave Palestinian land to Jews from "beyond the pale."

Was Skolnick correct? Skolnick does not document his claims so I checked into his allegations.

"Beyond the pale" would certainly describe where Rahm Emanuel's family came from. His father's family came to Palestine from somewhere in the Ukraine in 1917, according to what Dr. Benjamin M. Emanuel told me the other day. Dr. Emanuel now lives on the appropriately named Locust Road in Wilmette, Illinois.

Benjamin, speaking with a thick Israeli accent, told me that his father's name was Ezekiel Auerbach and that his mother's name was Pinina or something like that. He said it meant "pearl" in Hebrew. Asked about his role in the Irgun, Ben told me he had been a "simple soldier."

Yes, Ben, but serving as "simple soldier" in a terrorist organization makes you a terrorist. And the fact that you served in a terrorist organization 60 years ago makes no difference. You know, same rules for Nazis and terrorists.

Is that not what all those fellows in Guantanamo are being held for?

The Emanuel family name was Auerbach until 1936, although they are not related to the famous rabbinical family of Germany and Krakow named Auerbach. Ben said that his family was from Russia. (Well, the pale but not quite Russia.)

His father Ezekiel supposedly changed the family name to Emanuel when his son with that name died fighting Palestinians in 1936.

Many Jewish families in Palestine changed their names to make themselves sound like they actually came from Palestine. And you wondered where all those Jews disappeared during World War II?

Sheinerman became Sharon, Yezernitzky became Shamir, and Auerbach became Emanuel, and so on. And then multiply by a few hundred thousand. Voila! Millions of European Jews vanish from the face of the Earth - and build new lives in Palestine.

Ben told me that Emanuel Auerbach had died from "shrapnel in the knee" in 1936. When I asked him today for details on this incident he suddenly decided that he did not want to do an interview on the phone and hung up.

But before he terminated the conversation, Dr. Benjamin Auerbach-cum-Emanuel told me that he had been a member of the Irgun and had served under Menachem Begin. He told me that he had never met Begin and had not smuggled weapons into Palestine, other news reports notwithstanding.

Naftali Bendavid (not a local reporter) with The Chicago Tribune spent 18 months working with Rahm Emanuel to prepare a story for the week after the mid-term elections although Naftali did not think that there was enough room in the 9-page story to mention the salient fact that Dr. Benjamin Emanuel had been a member of the terrorist organization – the Irgun.

No. In 9 pages of Bendavid's fluff piece there was simply no room to mention the ugly fact that Rahm's father had been a member of a terrorist organization.

Naftali Bendavid (clearly of Israeli persuasion) wrote a 9-page cover story for last Sunday's paper, which took up the entire second section of the now-failing Chicago Tribune. (The latest rumor in Chicago is that the indicted but not convicted Zionist criminal Maurice Greenberg may buy the Tribune.)

Naftali, let me help, as English is my mother tongue: "Rahm Emanuel's father Benjamin was a member of the Irgun, a Zionist terrorist group that operated in Palestine from 1931 to 1948. The Irgun blew up buildings and killed hundreds of innocent people in order to achieve the goals of militant Zionism in occupied Palestine."

There are Smulevitz's and Shmuelevitz's all throughout the Zionist invasion of Palestine. One was hanged by the Brits, one dealt with the Nazis in Berlin, and another was the chief of staff for Menachem Begin – take your pick.

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Message par MOSSAD » 23 mars 2007, 02:25

Ils réclament seulement que l'on ait le droit d'investiguer l'Holocauste comme toute autre réalité historique, au même titre que l'on a le droit d'étudier la première guerre mondiale, le génocide des Amérindiens en Amériques, etc.

Ils disent eux-mêms qu'il ne nient pas l'Holocauste!

Ils ne veulent pas non plus réviser cette réalité: ils revendiqueennt seulement le droit de pouvoir l'investiguer. Et ils ne l'investiguent PAS car c'est interdit de le faire! Ils montrent comment LA LIBERTÉ D'EXPRESSION EST SOUMISE À UN DOUBLE STANDARD MORAL QUI (COINCIDENCE?) PROFITE AUX SIONISTES. Si je traite les Musulmans de terroristes et d'extrémistes, c'est très bien vu. Faire des caricatures de Mahomet est une question de liberté d'expression face à l'intolérance intégriste religieuse. Soit. Mais si je critique un tantinet ou un peu plus vigoureusement
1- l'énorme pouvoir des lobby "juif" d'Israel ou pro-Israel sur les politiques étrangères des USA et l'appui unilatéral des USA et du Canada envers Israel
2- les chrétiens de droite évangélique pro-Israel
3- le rôle du mossad dans le terrorisme international,
4- le pouvoir des groupes extrémistes sionistes dans les politiques d'Israel (une grande proportion des citoyens Israéliens ont protesté contre les politiques de 'boucherie palestinienne' de Sharon)
5- le contrôle des médias par des sionistes et des crypto-sionistes...

On dira que c'est plus une question de liberté d'experssion: "ça devient de l'antisémitisme" dira-t-on.

Vous voyez le double stardard à l'oeuvre?

Et dire que très peu de gens s'en rendent compte....


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Bollyn et Hufschmid ne sont ni négationnistes (déni de l'Holocauste) ni révisionnistes (réviser le nombre de Juifs morts dans l'Holocauste) car ces positions sont injustifiables en soi. Toutefois, on devrait avoir le droit d'investiguer l'Holocauste et CE DROIT NOUS EST ENLEVÉ. AUCUN AUTRE ÉVÉNEMENT HISTORIQUE N'EST SOUMIS À UN TEL OMERTA!

Et il est fort possible que des lois viennent criminaliser le "déni du 9/11". PERSONNE NE PEUT NIER LES ATTENTATS DU 9/11: ON VEUT SEULEMENT LES INVESTIGUER CONVENABLEMENT! sI NOS CONCLUSIONS DIFFÈRENT DE LA THÈSE OFFICIELLEC'EST NORE DROIT, EN VERTU DE LA LIBERTÉ DE PENSER ET DE LA LIBERTÉ D'EXPRESSION.

...

Alors Abel Chamoul,
Non seulement t'es très mal informé mon cher ami
mais TU SERS DES MENSONGES, RIEN DE MOINS!!!

De plus, l'accusation de crypto-juif concerne ceux qui traitreusement font passer les intérêts d'un petit groupe (sioniste ou plus large) par dessus ceux des autres.

Pourquoi Alex Jones et les producteurs de Loose Change NE PARLENT JAMAIS DE LA PISTE ISRAELIENNE ET DU RÔLE DU MOSSAD DANS LE TERRORISME INTERNATIONAL ET EN PARTICULIER DANS LE 9/11? en plus ils parlent ENCORE MOINS DU POUVOIR DU LOBBY D'ISRAEL DANS LES POLITIQUES ÉTRANGÈRE DES USA. ILS ÉVITENT SYSTÉMATIQUEMENT LA QUESTION ET JE SAIS DE QUOI JE PARLE CAR JE L'AI ÉCOUTÉ TRÈS SOUVENT.

Donc
1-pas question de prétendre que j'envoie des liens vers des auteurs négationnistes
2-pas question de rejeter du revers de la main mon discours sans un examen attentif et en profondeur du plaidoyer anti-sioniste. C'est un plaidoyer partial et partiel mais tout discours ne l'est-il pas nécessairement dès le départ?

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Message par Hallucigenia » 23 mars 2007, 04:13

T'es sur un forum francophone : faudrait arrêter de nous balancer tous tes copiés/collés en anglais.

Soit tu traduis, soit tu résumes. Fais un effort minimum, merde !

Bah, es ist mir scheiss egal. Ich lese es nicht : Dummkopf !

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Message par MOSSAD » 23 mars 2007, 04:16

Lorsque critiqué pour ses politiques barbares à l'endroit des Palestiniens et des Arabes sur son territoire comme ailleurs (Liban, Syrie, etc.), l'État d'Israel (gouvernement d'occupation et de colonisation en Palestine), le justifie toujours en invoquant l'Holocauste et l'antisémitisme.

Le problème c'est que dès qu'on critique Israël ou des individus ou des goupes "Juifs" (en fait SIONISTES, pas véritablement Juifs puisque les Juifs traditionels hassidiques rejettent le sionisme), on nous ressort les vieux épouvantails de l'antisémitisme, du nazisme, des chambres à gaz et du négationnisme...

À l'accusation d'antisémitisme, je réponds que le fait de critiquer les politiques racistes et génocidaires de l'État d'Israël ne constitue en rien une attaque à l'endroit de tous les Juifs de la planète (Ridicule!!). Israel ne représente pas tous les Juifs, et cela des millions de Juifs vous le dirons, car cux-ci refusent d'endosser les crimes perpétrés par Israël. De plus, il ne faut surtout pas mettre les croyants d'une même religion dans un même panier, surtout qu'au sein du judaïsme lui-même, et ce même chez les Juifs 'athées' ou non-pratiquants, le sionisme est loin de faire l'unanimité.

Israel s'est très/trop souvent justifié en invoquant l'Holocauste... Alors certains les ont pris au mot et ont répliqué: "bon et bien, allons-y investiguons l'Holocauste! voyons sur quoi repose vore légitimité"

Ceux-là (Robert Faurrisson, Ernest Zundel, David Irving, etc.) se font mettre en prison pour des années (entre 5 et 10 ans)

Face à cette situation, plusieurs se demandent, avec raison : "pourquoi ne peut-on critiquer les crimes d'Israël et le pouvoir de lobby et de riches Juifs et de sionistes? Pourquoi est-il formellement interdit d'examiner historiquement l'Holocauste Juif?"

Bref,
- si je critique l'Islam extrémiste fanatique, c'est une question de liberté d'expression.

- si je critique le judaisme extrémiste fanatique c'est de l'antisémitisme.

Un insidieux double standard à l'oeuvre dans un tel raisonnement. "Deux poids deux mesures"...

En fait, c'est clair et net qu'il y a une campagne de désinfo qui censure la persse et les médias de façon à instiguer un biais anti-arabo-musulman, anti-Iran et pro-Israel. On peut critiquer Bush et Cheney comme on veut, mais défense de parler des liens des NÉocons ET des démocrates avec desg gropes d'iontérêts sionistes. On peut dénoncer la complicité du gouvernemetn américain dans le 9/11, mais la poste israélienne, jamais. C'est comme ça même dans les communautés de chercheurs sur le 9/11. Ils se censurent eux-mêmes pour "crédibiliser" la cause de la réouverture de l'enquête officielle du 9/11.

En Chine, le gouvernement censure la presse. Dans les 'Pays Libres', ils se censurent eux-mêmes.

En Iran, ils ont tenu une conférence sur l'Holocauste pour narguer les soi-disants Pays Libres où il est paradoxalement INTERDIT d'en débattre! Notez que des Juifs orthodoxes étaient heureux de s'y rendre et ont manifesté leur franc soutien à Ahmadinejad. En Iran, les communautés Juives sont nombreuses et il n'y a pas de problèmes entre Juifs et Musulmans. De même, les rapports Juifs-Musulmans au Moyen-Orient ont toujours été paisibles jusqu'à ce que des groupes terroristes sionistes (Irgun) viennent semer la pagaille et plus tard fonder l'État d'Israel.

Et là en Amérique il y a les chrétiens évangéliques alliés au lobby israélien (AIPAC), le premier ministre israélien, qui identifient Ahmadinejad à Hitler et l'Iran à l'allemagne nazie de 1939. Il a dit ça récemment à une conférence de l'AIPAC. La propagande de guerre à l'oeuvre, quoi...

Où sont les sceptiques pour débusquer pour nous cette mascarade?

Ils ont été censurés par ceux qui se disent Sceptiques mais ne le sont pas.

(Pour paraphraser l'Apocalypse de Jean à propos de la "Synagogue de Satan", qu'elle comprend ceux "qui se disent Juifs mais ne le sont pas"...)

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#74

Message par MOSSAD » 23 mars 2007, 04:19

En résumé: ces textes indiquent à quel point la guerre au terrorisme est menée par et profite à des sionistes.

Les extraits de textes collés en haut apportent les données factuelles nécessaires pour supporter cette thèse.

MOSSAD

#75

Message par MOSSAD » 23 mars 2007, 04:26

en passant, j'oubliais de mentionner que

Rahm Emmanuel
(premièrement c'est un faux nom Juif que son père s'est donné, comme Sharon et bien d'autres ont fait en établissant des colonies Juives en Israel)

le président du groupe démocrate au Congrès est officier de renseignement militaire israélien
http://www.voltairenet.org/article144307.html

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