Le Canada devrait-il être annexé aux USA ?
Le Canada devrait-il être annexé aux USA ?
Bon, ici, on oublie les complots, les anti-Bush et les anti-américains...
Je me pose depuis longtemps la question suivante :
Et si chacune des 10 provinces canadienne devenait un état américain ?
Quels seraient : les impacts - retombées économiques pour nous - avantages et inconvénients ?
Jamais je n'ai vu un estimé de ce que ça donnerait , on pourrait même dresser un bilan , sur 2 colonnes : AVANTAGES vs INCONVÉNIENTS.
Bref, désirez-vous devenir américains ?
Je me pose depuis longtemps la question suivante :
Et si chacune des 10 provinces canadienne devenait un état américain ?
Quels seraient : les impacts - retombées économiques pour nous - avantages et inconvénients ?
Jamais je n'ai vu un estimé de ce que ça donnerait , on pourrait même dresser un bilan , sur 2 colonnes : AVANTAGES vs INCONVÉNIENTS.
Bref, désirez-vous devenir américains ?
Ben Garneau = bengarneau@yahoo.ca
Je ne crois pas que ce soit necessaire: Harper est avec eux. Et comme je crois que le monde est en train de devenir un etat global, que les pays soient attaché ou détaché ne change rien. Leurs buts sont atteint autent si on est le Canada ou qu'on soit les États-Unis. Cepedant je vois venir la monnaie internationnale: ça c'est plus important pour eux. Une monnaie qui englobe Canada, États-Unis et Mexique est envisageable.
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Je pense que ça serait la pire chose à faire, nous avons trop de différences avec nos voisins américains. Que se soit le système de santé, le système politique, le système carcéral et surtout des idées différentes au niveau des politiques internationales, font que le Canada est un pays unique.
Un petit mot à propos de ce qui arrivera d'ici les prochaines années. L'Union Nord-Américains approche rapidement. Je ne vous parle pas d'un complot cette fois, mais de choses qui vont se produire. Les gouvernements, américains, canadiens et mexicains se préparent à abolir les frontières entre les trois pays.
Voici deux vidéos qui traitent de l'Union Nord-Américain(extrait de CNN)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxCeWQ9G ... an%20union
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jjvCHSU ... an%20union
Un petit mot à propos de ce qui arrivera d'ici les prochaines années. L'Union Nord-Américains approche rapidement. Je ne vous parle pas d'un complot cette fois, mais de choses qui vont se produire. Les gouvernements, américains, canadiens et mexicains se préparent à abolir les frontières entre les trois pays.
Voici deux vidéos qui traitent de l'Union Nord-Américain(extrait de CNN)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxCeWQ9G ... an%20union
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jjvCHSU ... an%20union
"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither" -Benjamin Franklin
Je sais pas trop, y'a des points qui nous rapproche des américains et d'autres des francais. Nous sommes nord américain, notre culture sportive est très différente. Si on enlève le coté multi ethnique de Montréal, le sport ici c'est le hockey. En France c'est probablement le foot (qu'on appelle Soccer ici). En télé on se ressemble peut-être plus, en musique aussi. Je crois que dans le fond le Québec c'est unique. Nous n'avons pas beaucoup de lien avec le Canada anglais, et ni avec les américain. Coté bouffe on est plus proche des américains c'est sur, avec les grosse épiceries et les fast food à chaque coin de rue... La France n'échapera pas à la globalisation par contre. Et éventuellement peut-être que nous allons nous ressembler plus.
Et n'oubliez pas que chaque personne est unique en tant que tel. Ne vous laissez pas "brain washer" par les médias!
Et n'oubliez pas que chaque personne est unique en tant que tel. Ne vous laissez pas "brain washer" par les médias!
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Une incompatibilité des lois er des mentalités rendrait inviable une telle fusion et invivable pour les Québécois et autres communautés francophones au pays. Que la terre des opportunistes demeure limitée au territoire actuel me convient parfaitement.
Si vous etes pas content de c'que j'dis ben... Tant pis!
Re: Le Canada devrait-il être annexé aux USA ?
Pourquoi pas.. et un coup parti. donnons le Nunavik au Danemark (qu'il pourra ajouter au Grønland dans sa collection), les Territoires-du-Nord Ouest à la Russie, et le Yukon aux USA, annexé à l'Alaska.BenGarno a écrit :Et si chacune des 10 provinces canadienne devenait un état américain ?
anybody in the creation/evolution debate area knows that this is basically a spiritual war. The root of the problem is not a question of what is science or what is truth. [Laurence Tisdall]
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Réunion secrète pour l'Union Nord-Américain + liste de participants... Voyez cette belle brochette de crosseurs. Que pensez-vous de cet article? C'est dans des moments comme ceux là, que l'on voit que les médias sont vraiment un outil des globalistes. Il serais peut-être temps que les Canadiens soient au courant qu'il vont bientôt être des Américains.
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Comment from Connie Fogal, Leader, CanadianActionParty, Tuesday Sept 19, 2006, 4:45 P.M. :
The secret information below was uncovered by Vive le Canada. On September 12- 14, 2006 in Banff Alberta, Canada a group of present and past elected federal Ministers and Deputy Ministers from Canada, USA and Mexico met with unelected corporate, military, academic, financial ,industrialists,and "think tank" members to strategize the unification of Canada, USA, and Mexico. They conspired to continue to commit the unconstitutional act of castrating three national entities by planning ways to remove the constitutional powers and protections granted to the citizens of Canada, USA, and Mexico.
The people identified below are functioning as a "government de facto" (Black's Law Dictionary page 824). They are "a government of fact. A government actually exercising power and control in the state,as opposed to the true and lawful government.; a government not established according to the constitution of the state, or not lawfully entitled to recognition or supremacy, but which has nevertheless supplanted or displaced the government de jure. A government deemed unlawful or unjust, which nevertheless receives presently habitual obedience from the bulk of the community." Since no sitting party in Canada's Parliament is prepared or willing to challenge and terminate the practice and power of this de facto government, it is up to us, the citizens, to do it. We must and can defy them. It is our democratic duty to refuse obedience to them. Our power is still at the ballot box. Our power is still in our voices . We must and can take back our democracy by electing only representatives to our government who refuse to permit the continuation of this de facto government . Elect only those who promise to govern for the public good and in the public interest. Elect only those who will defend, protect and preserve the rights of citizens. Elect only those who commit to the integrity of an independent sovereign nation.
The definition of the criminal act of treason in Canada requires the use of "force or violence for the purpose of overthrowing the government of Canada or a province." S. 46 (2) (a) Criminal Code of Canada. The individuals identified below are, hence, arguably, not guilty of treason as defined under Canada 's Criminal Code, but they are certainly guilty of conspiring to remove from us the rights and privileges that belong to the citizens of Canada and which flow from our Canadian Constitution. The same can be said for the impact on the citizens of the USA and Mexico.
The sitting and former representatives from the Liberal Party of Canada as well as the Conservative Party of Canada are clearly identifiable, including Conservative Party Ministers and Deputy Ministers of the Government of Canada, and of some provinces, as well as the former Liberal Deputy Prime Minister of Canada, John Manley, and former Liberal Minister of Justice Anne McLellan . It is unclear if any representatives from the NDP or the Bloq Quebecois were present.... Contact Connie Fogal at 604 872 2128 or e mail conniefogal@telus.net
Tuesday, September 19 2006 @ 01:25 PM MDT
Contributed by: sthompson Vive le Canada http://www.vivelecanada.ca
Here's the scandal that should be outraging Canadians across the country. On September 12-14, elite proponents of deep integration from Canada, the U.S. and Mexico met at a secret conference at the Banff Springs Hotel. The Hotel doesn't want to talk about it. No major media reported on the conference--not the Globe and Mail, not the National Post, not the Toronto Star, no one. Yet the topic of the conference, deep integration or the formation of a "North American Community" aka the North American Union, will profoundly affect everything in our lives from our health and security to the currency we use (soon to be the "Amero") to our very national identity. In essence, we will no longer be Canadians, but North Americans only--and worse, North Americans hog-tied in lock-step with the U.S. even as they gain open access to our energy resources.
Our national media stays silent and so Canadians remain unaware that their own CCCE and most powerful politicians are pushing for integration with the U.S. and Mexico completely outside of the usual democratic process. The only newspaper to report anything on this as yet is the Banff Crag & Canyon, which is publishing an article on the conference today thanks to information provided by Mel Hurtig.
And of course here at Vive we are ready to do our part. Below please find the secret list of participants in the forum AND the agenda for the forum, thanks to Mel Hurtig's sources.
I hope every one of our readers and supporters will take it upon themselves to call their local and national media and demand coverage of the conference and of integration itself. It is a scandal that this process is being conducted in secret. And whether or not the media will listen, we must also all talk to other Canadians and to our politicians and demand that this become an open public debate. We must especially call and write to the usual suspects who were involved in this conference, especially the chairs and co-chairs, and spread the word so that our American and Mexican neighbours do the same. Otherwise, we will all remain in the dark--until it is too late.
NORTH AMERICAN FORUM
CONFIRMED PARTICIPANTS
(Internal Document, Not for Public Release)
Report dated August 31, 2006
Forum Co-Chairs:
Dr. Pedro Aspe
Hon. Peter Lougheed
Hon. George Shultz
Canadian Participants
Col. Peter Atkinson Special Advisor to Chief of Defence Staff
Hon. Perrin Beatty Canadian Manufacturers & Exporters
Mr. Peter M. Boehm Assistant Deputy Minister, North America
Foreign Affairs and International Trade Canada
Mr. Thomas d’Aquino Canadian Council of Chief Executives
Hon. Stockwell Day Minister of Public Safety, Government of Canada
Dr. Wendy Dobson The Institute for International Business
Mr. N. Murray Edwards Edco Financial Holdings Ltd.
Mr. Ward Elcock Deputy Minister of National Defence
Mr. Bill Elliott Associate Deputy Minister, Public Safety
Dr. John English The Cdn Centre for International Governance Innovation
Mr. Brian Felesky Felesky Flynn LLP
Mr. Richard L. George Suncor Energy Inc.
Dr. Roger Gibbins Canada West Foundation
Rear Adm Roger Girouard Commander Joint Task Force Pacific, Cdn Forces
Major Gen Daniel Gosselin Director General, International Security Policy
Mr. James K. Gray Canada West Foundation
Mr. Fred Green Canadian Pacific Railway
Mr. V. Peter Harder Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs
Mr. Paul J. Hill Harvard Developments Inc.
General Rick Hillier Chief of the Defence Staff
Mr. Pierre Marc Johnston Heenan Blaikie
Mr. James Kinnear Pengrowth Corporation
Mr. Harold N. Kvisle TransCanada Corporation
Hon. John P. Manley McCarthy Tetrault LLP
Mr. Ron Mannix Coril Holdings Ltd.
Mr. Ron Mathison Matco Investments
Hon. Anne McLellan Senior Counsel, Bennett Jones
Hon. Greg Melchin Minister of Energy, Government of Alberta
Ms.Sharon Murphy Chevron Canada
Ms. Sheila O’Brien President, Corporate Director, Belvedere Investments
Hon. Gordon O’Connor Minister of Defense, Government of Canada
Mr. Berel Rodal International Center on Nonviolent Conflict
Mr. Gordon Smith Chairman, The International Development Research Centre
American Participants
Ms. Deborah Bolton Political Advisor to Commander, US Northcom
Mr. Ron T. Covais, President, The Americas, Lockheed Martin Corporation
Sec. Kenneth W. Dam Max Pam Professor Emeritus of American & Foreign Law and Senior Lecturer, University of Chicago Law School
Mr. Dan Fisk Senior Director, Western Hemisphere, National Security Council
Sec. Ryan Henry Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Policy
Ms. Carla A. Hills Chairman & CEO, Hills & Co.
Ms. Caryn Hollis DASD (Acting) Western Hemisphere Affairs
Mr. Bill Irwin Manager - International Government Affairs; Policy, Government and Public Affairs, Chevron Corporation
Mr. Robert G. James President, Enterprise Asset Management Inc.
Admiral Tim Keating Commander, US Northern Command
Mr. Floyd Kvamme Chair, President’s Council of Advisors on Science & Technology; Director, Centre for Global Security Res.
Dr. Ronald F. Lehman II Director, Center for Global Security Research, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Mr. William W. McIlhenny Policy Planning Council for Western Hemisphere Affairs
Dr. Peter McPherson President, National Association of State Universities & Land-Grant Colleges
Ms. Doris Meissner Senior Fellow, Migration Policy Institute
Dr. George Miller Director, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Mr. George Nethercutt Chairman, US Section of the Permanent Joint Board on
Defense, US Canada (Security)
Mary Anastasia O’Grady Journalist for Wall Street Journal (Area Specialist)
Dr. Robert A. Pastor Director, Center for North American Studies, American
University, Washington, DC
Dr. William Perry Co-Director, Preventive Defense Project
Lt. Gen. Gene Renuart USAF Senior Military Assist. to Sec. Rumsfeld
Mr. Eric Ruff Department of Defense Press Secretary
Sec. Donald R. Rumsfeld Secretary of Defense, US Department of Defense
Dr. James Schlesinger Former Sec. Of Energy & Defense
Mr. William Schneider President, International Planning Services
Sec. Clay Sell Deputy Secretary of Energy, US Dept. of Energy
Dr. Thomas A. Shannon Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere A
Dr. David G. Victor Director, Program on Energy & Sustainable Development, Center for Environmental Science & Policy
Maj. Gen. Mark A Volcheff Director, Plans, Policy & Strategy, NORAD-NORTHCOM
Ms. Jane Wales President & CEO, World Affairs Council of Northern California
Mr. R. James Woolsey Vice President, Booz Allen Hamilton
Mexican Participants:
Emb Andrés Rozental (Mexican Coordinator) Mexican Council on Foreign Relations
Silvia Hernández Former Senator and Chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on North America
Mario Molina 1995 Nobel Laureate in Chemistry
Fernando Chico Pardo CEO, Promecap
Juan Gallardo CEO, Grupo GEUSA
Gerónimo Gutiérrez Deputy Foreign Minister for North America
Luis de la Calle Consultant. Former Deputy Minister of Economy
Agustín Barrios Gómez Solutions Abroad
Vinicio Suro PEMEX
Eduardo Medina Mora Secretary of Public Security
Carlos Heredia State Government of Michoacán
Jaime Zabludowsky Consultant. Former trade negotiator
Manuel Arango CEO, Grupo Concord
Jorge Santibañez President, El Colegio de la Frontera Norte
Luis Rubio CIDAC
Mónica Serrano El Colegio de México, Señor Fellow Oxford University
Arturo Sarukhan Coordinator of Int’l Affairs, Campaign of Felipe Calderon
Juan Camilo Mouriño General Coordinator of President Elect’s transition team
Ernesto Cordero Coordinator for Public Policy Issues
Ambassadors/Consul General:
Mr. Carlos de Icaza, Ambassador of Mexico to the United States
Mr. Gaëtan Lavertu Ambassador of Canada to Mexico
Ms. Maria Teresa Garcia Segovia de Madero, Ambassador of Mexico to Canada
Mr. Thomas Huffaker U.S. Consul General in Calgary (on DOD’s list)
Mr. John Dickson Deputy Chief of Mission, US Embassy in Ottawa
(representing Ambassador of US to Canada)
Mr. Colin Robertson Minister & Head, Washington Advocacy Secretariat,
(representing Ambassador of Canada to US)
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Draft Detailed September 1, 2006 Agenda
Internal Document
North American Forum
Fairmont Banff Springs Hotel
Banff, Alberta
September 12-14, 2006
Under the Joint Chairmanship of:
The Hon. George Shultz, Former U.S. Secretary of State
The Hon. Pedro Aspe, Former Finance Minister of Mexico
The Hon. Peter Lougheed, Former Premier of Alberta
Continental Prosperity in the New Security Environment
Session I: Opening comments by Messrs. Aspe, Lougheed and Shultz
Session II: A Vision for North America: Issues and Options
Session III: Toward a North American Energy Strategy
Session IV: Opportunities for Security Cooperation in North America (Parts I and II)
Session V: Demographic and Social Dimensions of North American Integration
Session VI: Border Infrastructure and Continental Prosperity
Session VII: Roundtable Conversation with the Co-Chairs
Draft September 1, 2006 Agenda
North American Forum
The Fairmont Banff Springs
Banff, Alberta, Canada
September 12-14, 2006
Under the Joint Chairmanship of:
The Hon. George Shultz, Former U.S. Secretary of State
The Hon. Pedro Aspe, Former Finance Minister of Mexico
The Hon. Peter Lougheed, Former Premier of Alberta
Continental Prosperity in the New Security Environment
Tuesday, September 12th
3:00 to Advance Registration
4:30 pm Location: Heritage Hall
5:00 pm Registration
Location: Oval Room
5:45 pm Opening and Welcoming Reception
Location: Conservatory in the Cascade Ballroom
6:45 pm Dinner & Keynote Address
Location: Cascade Ballroom
8:00 pm Keynote Address “Energy and Environment: a vision for North America”
Dr. Mario Molina, 1995 Nobel Laureate in Chemistry
Wednesday, September 13th
7:30 am Continental Breakfast & Registration
Location: Alhambra Room
8:15 am Keynote Address - Hon. Greg Melchin, Minister of Energy, Government of
Alberta
Q & A 8:45 9:00 a.m.
9:00 am SESSION I: OPENING COMMENTS BY MESSRS. SHULTZ, ASPE AND LOUGHEED
Location: Alhambra Room
SESSION II: A VISION FOR NORTH AMERICA: ISSUES & OPTIONS
Location: Alhambra Room
9:30 am PANEL:
Moderator: Dr. Thomas A. Shannon, Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs
Panelists:
Robert Pastor, Director, Center for North American Studies, American University
Roger Gibbins, President & CEO, Canada West Foundation
Andrés Rozental, Mexican Council on Foreign Relations
10:05 am ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION
10:45 am Break
SESSION III: TOWARD A NORTH AMERICAN ENERGY STRATEGY
Location: Alhambra Room
11:05 am REMARKS:
Secretary Clay Sell, Deputy Secretary of Energy, U.S. Department of Energy
11:25 am PANEL:
Moderator: N. Murray Edwards, Vice Chairman, Canadian Natural Resources Limited
Panelists:
Richard George, President & CEO, Suncor Energy Inc.
David Victor, Director, Program on Energy & Sustainable Development,
Center for Environmental Science & Policy
Vinicio Suro, Planning & Evaluation Subdirector, PEMEX
12 noon ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION
12:45 pm Break
1:00 pm Lunch
Location: Cascade Ballroom
1:30 pm Keynote Address: Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense, US Department of Defense
SESSION IV: OPPORTUNITIES FOR SECURITY COOPERATION IN NORTH AMERICA - Military-to-military cooperation
Location: Alhambra Room
2:30 pm PANEL:
Moderator: William J. Perry, former US Secretary of Defense
Panelists:
Admiral Tim Keating, Commander NORAD/USNORTHCOM
Major General Daniel Gosselin, Director General, International Security Policy
Gerónimo Gutiérrez, Undersecretary for North America, Ministry of Foreign Affairs
3:05 pm ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION
4:00 pm Break
SESSION IV: OPPORTUNITIES FOR SECURITY COOPERATION IN NORTH AMERICA CONTINUED
Location: Alhambra Room
4:15 pm PANEL:
Moderator: William Schneider, President, International Planning Services
Panelists:
Ward Elcock, Deputy Minister of National Defence
Eduardo Medina-Mora, Secretary of Public Safety
Ryan Henry, Principal Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Policy
4:50 pm ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION
5:45 pm Wrap-up of daytime sessions
6:30 pm Reception
Location: Conservatory in the Cascade Ballroom
7:00 pm Dinner & Keynote Address
Location: Cascade Ballroom
8:10 pm Keynote Address - The Hon. Stockwell Day, Minister of Public Safety, Government of Canada
Thursday, September 14th
7:00 am Breakfast
Location: Alhambra Room
7:15 am Keynote Address - Floyd Kvamme, Chairman, President’s Council of Advisors on Science & Technology
Q & A 7:40 to 8:00 a.m.
SESSION V: DEMOGRAPHIC AND SOCIAL DIMENSIONS OF NORTH AMERICAN
INTEGRATION
Location: Alhambra Room
8:00 am PANEL:
Moderator: Andrés Rozental, Mexican Council on Foreign Relations
Panelists :
Dr. Wendy Dobson, the Institute for International Business
Carlos Heredia, Chief International Affairs Advisor to the Governor of the State of Michoacán in Mexico
Doris Meissner, Senior Fellow, Migration Policy Institute
8:35 am ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION
9:30 am Break
SESSION VI: BORDER INFRASTRUCTURE AND CONTINENTAL PROSPERITY
Location: Alhambra Room
9:45 am PANEL:
Moderator: Hon. John P. Manley, McCarthy Tetrault LLP
Panelists:
Thomas d’Aquino, Canadian Council of Chief Executives
Carla Hills, Chairman & CEO, Hills & Co.
Luis de la Calle, Consultor
10:20 am ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION
11:00 am SESSION VII: ROUNDTABLE CONVERSATION WITH THE CO-CHAIRS
Location: Alhambra Room
Moderator: Jane Wales, President and CEO, World Affairs Council of
Northern California
Presenters: George Shultz, Co-Chair, North American Forum
Peter Lougheed, Co-Chair, North American Forum
Pedro Aspe, Co-Chair, North American Forum
12:00 pm Adjourn
12:30 pm Informal lunch
Location: Alhambra Room
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Comment from Connie Fogal, Leader, CanadianActionParty, Tuesday Sept 19, 2006, 4:45 P.M. :
The secret information below was uncovered by Vive le Canada. On September 12- 14, 2006 in Banff Alberta, Canada a group of present and past elected federal Ministers and Deputy Ministers from Canada, USA and Mexico met with unelected corporate, military, academic, financial ,industrialists,and "think tank" members to strategize the unification of Canada, USA, and Mexico. They conspired to continue to commit the unconstitutional act of castrating three national entities by planning ways to remove the constitutional powers and protections granted to the citizens of Canada, USA, and Mexico.
The people identified below are functioning as a "government de facto" (Black's Law Dictionary page 824). They are "a government of fact. A government actually exercising power and control in the state,as opposed to the true and lawful government.; a government not established according to the constitution of the state, or not lawfully entitled to recognition or supremacy, but which has nevertheless supplanted or displaced the government de jure. A government deemed unlawful or unjust, which nevertheless receives presently habitual obedience from the bulk of the community." Since no sitting party in Canada's Parliament is prepared or willing to challenge and terminate the practice and power of this de facto government, it is up to us, the citizens, to do it. We must and can defy them. It is our democratic duty to refuse obedience to them. Our power is still at the ballot box. Our power is still in our voices . We must and can take back our democracy by electing only representatives to our government who refuse to permit the continuation of this de facto government . Elect only those who promise to govern for the public good and in the public interest. Elect only those who will defend, protect and preserve the rights of citizens. Elect only those who commit to the integrity of an independent sovereign nation.
The definition of the criminal act of treason in Canada requires the use of "force or violence for the purpose of overthrowing the government of Canada or a province." S. 46 (2) (a) Criminal Code of Canada. The individuals identified below are, hence, arguably, not guilty of treason as defined under Canada 's Criminal Code, but they are certainly guilty of conspiring to remove from us the rights and privileges that belong to the citizens of Canada and which flow from our Canadian Constitution. The same can be said for the impact on the citizens of the USA and Mexico.
The sitting and former representatives from the Liberal Party of Canada as well as the Conservative Party of Canada are clearly identifiable, including Conservative Party Ministers and Deputy Ministers of the Government of Canada, and of some provinces, as well as the former Liberal Deputy Prime Minister of Canada, John Manley, and former Liberal Minister of Justice Anne McLellan . It is unclear if any representatives from the NDP or the Bloq Quebecois were present.... Contact Connie Fogal at 604 872 2128 or e mail conniefogal@telus.net
Tuesday, September 19 2006 @ 01:25 PM MDT
Contributed by: sthompson Vive le Canada http://www.vivelecanada.ca
Here's the scandal that should be outraging Canadians across the country. On September 12-14, elite proponents of deep integration from Canada, the U.S. and Mexico met at a secret conference at the Banff Springs Hotel. The Hotel doesn't want to talk about it. No major media reported on the conference--not the Globe and Mail, not the National Post, not the Toronto Star, no one. Yet the topic of the conference, deep integration or the formation of a "North American Community" aka the North American Union, will profoundly affect everything in our lives from our health and security to the currency we use (soon to be the "Amero") to our very national identity. In essence, we will no longer be Canadians, but North Americans only--and worse, North Americans hog-tied in lock-step with the U.S. even as they gain open access to our energy resources.
Our national media stays silent and so Canadians remain unaware that their own CCCE and most powerful politicians are pushing for integration with the U.S. and Mexico completely outside of the usual democratic process. The only newspaper to report anything on this as yet is the Banff Crag & Canyon, which is publishing an article on the conference today thanks to information provided by Mel Hurtig.
And of course here at Vive we are ready to do our part. Below please find the secret list of participants in the forum AND the agenda for the forum, thanks to Mel Hurtig's sources.
I hope every one of our readers and supporters will take it upon themselves to call their local and national media and demand coverage of the conference and of integration itself. It is a scandal that this process is being conducted in secret. And whether or not the media will listen, we must also all talk to other Canadians and to our politicians and demand that this become an open public debate. We must especially call and write to the usual suspects who were involved in this conference, especially the chairs and co-chairs, and spread the word so that our American and Mexican neighbours do the same. Otherwise, we will all remain in the dark--until it is too late.
NORTH AMERICAN FORUM
CONFIRMED PARTICIPANTS
(Internal Document, Not for Public Release)
Report dated August 31, 2006
Forum Co-Chairs:
Dr. Pedro Aspe
Hon. Peter Lougheed
Hon. George Shultz
Canadian Participants
Col. Peter Atkinson Special Advisor to Chief of Defence Staff
Hon. Perrin Beatty Canadian Manufacturers & Exporters
Mr. Peter M. Boehm Assistant Deputy Minister, North America
Foreign Affairs and International Trade Canada
Mr. Thomas d’Aquino Canadian Council of Chief Executives
Hon. Stockwell Day Minister of Public Safety, Government of Canada
Dr. Wendy Dobson The Institute for International Business
Mr. N. Murray Edwards Edco Financial Holdings Ltd.
Mr. Ward Elcock Deputy Minister of National Defence
Mr. Bill Elliott Associate Deputy Minister, Public Safety
Dr. John English The Cdn Centre for International Governance Innovation
Mr. Brian Felesky Felesky Flynn LLP
Mr. Richard L. George Suncor Energy Inc.
Dr. Roger Gibbins Canada West Foundation
Rear Adm Roger Girouard Commander Joint Task Force Pacific, Cdn Forces
Major Gen Daniel Gosselin Director General, International Security Policy
Mr. James K. Gray Canada West Foundation
Mr. Fred Green Canadian Pacific Railway
Mr. V. Peter Harder Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs
Mr. Paul J. Hill Harvard Developments Inc.
General Rick Hillier Chief of the Defence Staff
Mr. Pierre Marc Johnston Heenan Blaikie
Mr. James Kinnear Pengrowth Corporation
Mr. Harold N. Kvisle TransCanada Corporation
Hon. John P. Manley McCarthy Tetrault LLP
Mr. Ron Mannix Coril Holdings Ltd.
Mr. Ron Mathison Matco Investments
Hon. Anne McLellan Senior Counsel, Bennett Jones
Hon. Greg Melchin Minister of Energy, Government of Alberta
Ms.Sharon Murphy Chevron Canada
Ms. Sheila O’Brien President, Corporate Director, Belvedere Investments
Hon. Gordon O’Connor Minister of Defense, Government of Canada
Mr. Berel Rodal International Center on Nonviolent Conflict
Mr. Gordon Smith Chairman, The International Development Research Centre
American Participants
Ms. Deborah Bolton Political Advisor to Commander, US Northcom
Mr. Ron T. Covais, President, The Americas, Lockheed Martin Corporation
Sec. Kenneth W. Dam Max Pam Professor Emeritus of American & Foreign Law and Senior Lecturer, University of Chicago Law School
Mr. Dan Fisk Senior Director, Western Hemisphere, National Security Council
Sec. Ryan Henry Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Policy
Ms. Carla A. Hills Chairman & CEO, Hills & Co.
Ms. Caryn Hollis DASD (Acting) Western Hemisphere Affairs
Mr. Bill Irwin Manager - International Government Affairs; Policy, Government and Public Affairs, Chevron Corporation
Mr. Robert G. James President, Enterprise Asset Management Inc.
Admiral Tim Keating Commander, US Northern Command
Mr. Floyd Kvamme Chair, President’s Council of Advisors on Science & Technology; Director, Centre for Global Security Res.
Dr. Ronald F. Lehman II Director, Center for Global Security Research, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Mr. William W. McIlhenny Policy Planning Council for Western Hemisphere Affairs
Dr. Peter McPherson President, National Association of State Universities & Land-Grant Colleges
Ms. Doris Meissner Senior Fellow, Migration Policy Institute
Dr. George Miller Director, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Mr. George Nethercutt Chairman, US Section of the Permanent Joint Board on
Defense, US Canada (Security)
Mary Anastasia O’Grady Journalist for Wall Street Journal (Area Specialist)
Dr. Robert A. Pastor Director, Center for North American Studies, American
University, Washington, DC
Dr. William Perry Co-Director, Preventive Defense Project
Lt. Gen. Gene Renuart USAF Senior Military Assist. to Sec. Rumsfeld
Mr. Eric Ruff Department of Defense Press Secretary
Sec. Donald R. Rumsfeld Secretary of Defense, US Department of Defense
Dr. James Schlesinger Former Sec. Of Energy & Defense
Mr. William Schneider President, International Planning Services
Sec. Clay Sell Deputy Secretary of Energy, US Dept. of Energy
Dr. Thomas A. Shannon Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere A
Dr. David G. Victor Director, Program on Energy & Sustainable Development, Center for Environmental Science & Policy
Maj. Gen. Mark A Volcheff Director, Plans, Policy & Strategy, NORAD-NORTHCOM
Ms. Jane Wales President & CEO, World Affairs Council of Northern California
Mr. R. James Woolsey Vice President, Booz Allen Hamilton
Mexican Participants:
Emb Andrés Rozental (Mexican Coordinator) Mexican Council on Foreign Relations
Silvia Hernández Former Senator and Chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on North America
Mario Molina 1995 Nobel Laureate in Chemistry
Fernando Chico Pardo CEO, Promecap
Juan Gallardo CEO, Grupo GEUSA
Gerónimo Gutiérrez Deputy Foreign Minister for North America
Luis de la Calle Consultant. Former Deputy Minister of Economy
Agustín Barrios Gómez Solutions Abroad
Vinicio Suro PEMEX
Eduardo Medina Mora Secretary of Public Security
Carlos Heredia State Government of Michoacán
Jaime Zabludowsky Consultant. Former trade negotiator
Manuel Arango CEO, Grupo Concord
Jorge Santibañez President, El Colegio de la Frontera Norte
Luis Rubio CIDAC
Mónica Serrano El Colegio de México, Señor Fellow Oxford University
Arturo Sarukhan Coordinator of Int’l Affairs, Campaign of Felipe Calderon
Juan Camilo Mouriño General Coordinator of President Elect’s transition team
Ernesto Cordero Coordinator for Public Policy Issues
Ambassadors/Consul General:
Mr. Carlos de Icaza, Ambassador of Mexico to the United States
Mr. Gaëtan Lavertu Ambassador of Canada to Mexico
Ms. Maria Teresa Garcia Segovia de Madero, Ambassador of Mexico to Canada
Mr. Thomas Huffaker U.S. Consul General in Calgary (on DOD’s list)
Mr. John Dickson Deputy Chief of Mission, US Embassy in Ottawa
(representing Ambassador of US to Canada)
Mr. Colin Robertson Minister & Head, Washington Advocacy Secretariat,
(representing Ambassador of Canada to US)
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Draft Detailed September 1, 2006 Agenda
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North American Forum
Fairmont Banff Springs Hotel
Banff, Alberta
September 12-14, 2006
Under the Joint Chairmanship of:
The Hon. George Shultz, Former U.S. Secretary of State
The Hon. Pedro Aspe, Former Finance Minister of Mexico
The Hon. Peter Lougheed, Former Premier of Alberta
Continental Prosperity in the New Security Environment
Session I: Opening comments by Messrs. Aspe, Lougheed and Shultz
Session II: A Vision for North America: Issues and Options
Session III: Toward a North American Energy Strategy
Session IV: Opportunities for Security Cooperation in North America (Parts I and II)
Session V: Demographic and Social Dimensions of North American Integration
Session VI: Border Infrastructure and Continental Prosperity
Session VII: Roundtable Conversation with the Co-Chairs
Draft September 1, 2006 Agenda
North American Forum
The Fairmont Banff Springs
Banff, Alberta, Canada
September 12-14, 2006
Under the Joint Chairmanship of:
The Hon. George Shultz, Former U.S. Secretary of State
The Hon. Pedro Aspe, Former Finance Minister of Mexico
The Hon. Peter Lougheed, Former Premier of Alberta
Continental Prosperity in the New Security Environment
Tuesday, September 12th
3:00 to Advance Registration
4:30 pm Location: Heritage Hall
5:00 pm Registration
Location: Oval Room
5:45 pm Opening and Welcoming Reception
Location: Conservatory in the Cascade Ballroom
6:45 pm Dinner & Keynote Address
Location: Cascade Ballroom
8:00 pm Keynote Address “Energy and Environment: a vision for North America”
Dr. Mario Molina, 1995 Nobel Laureate in Chemistry
Wednesday, September 13th
7:30 am Continental Breakfast & Registration
Location: Alhambra Room
8:15 am Keynote Address - Hon. Greg Melchin, Minister of Energy, Government of
Alberta
Q & A 8:45 9:00 a.m.
9:00 am SESSION I: OPENING COMMENTS BY MESSRS. SHULTZ, ASPE AND LOUGHEED
Location: Alhambra Room
SESSION II: A VISION FOR NORTH AMERICA: ISSUES & OPTIONS
Location: Alhambra Room
9:30 am PANEL:
Moderator: Dr. Thomas A. Shannon, Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs
Panelists:
Robert Pastor, Director, Center for North American Studies, American University
Roger Gibbins, President & CEO, Canada West Foundation
Andrés Rozental, Mexican Council on Foreign Relations
10:05 am ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION
10:45 am Break
SESSION III: TOWARD A NORTH AMERICAN ENERGY STRATEGY
Location: Alhambra Room
11:05 am REMARKS:
Secretary Clay Sell, Deputy Secretary of Energy, U.S. Department of Energy
11:25 am PANEL:
Moderator: N. Murray Edwards, Vice Chairman, Canadian Natural Resources Limited
Panelists:
Richard George, President & CEO, Suncor Energy Inc.
David Victor, Director, Program on Energy & Sustainable Development,
Center for Environmental Science & Policy
Vinicio Suro, Planning & Evaluation Subdirector, PEMEX
12 noon ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION
12:45 pm Break
1:00 pm Lunch
Location: Cascade Ballroom
1:30 pm Keynote Address: Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense, US Department of Defense
SESSION IV: OPPORTUNITIES FOR SECURITY COOPERATION IN NORTH AMERICA - Military-to-military cooperation
Location: Alhambra Room
2:30 pm PANEL:
Moderator: William J. Perry, former US Secretary of Defense
Panelists:
Admiral Tim Keating, Commander NORAD/USNORTHCOM
Major General Daniel Gosselin, Director General, International Security Policy
Gerónimo Gutiérrez, Undersecretary for North America, Ministry of Foreign Affairs
3:05 pm ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION
4:00 pm Break
SESSION IV: OPPORTUNITIES FOR SECURITY COOPERATION IN NORTH AMERICA CONTINUED
Location: Alhambra Room
4:15 pm PANEL:
Moderator: William Schneider, President, International Planning Services
Panelists:
Ward Elcock, Deputy Minister of National Defence
Eduardo Medina-Mora, Secretary of Public Safety
Ryan Henry, Principal Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Policy
4:50 pm ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION
5:45 pm Wrap-up of daytime sessions
6:30 pm Reception
Location: Conservatory in the Cascade Ballroom
7:00 pm Dinner & Keynote Address
Location: Cascade Ballroom
8:10 pm Keynote Address - The Hon. Stockwell Day, Minister of Public Safety, Government of Canada
Thursday, September 14th
7:00 am Breakfast
Location: Alhambra Room
7:15 am Keynote Address - Floyd Kvamme, Chairman, President’s Council of Advisors on Science & Technology
Q & A 7:40 to 8:00 a.m.
SESSION V: DEMOGRAPHIC AND SOCIAL DIMENSIONS OF NORTH AMERICAN
INTEGRATION
Location: Alhambra Room
8:00 am PANEL:
Moderator: Andrés Rozental, Mexican Council on Foreign Relations
Panelists :
Dr. Wendy Dobson, the Institute for International Business
Carlos Heredia, Chief International Affairs Advisor to the Governor of the State of Michoacán in Mexico
Doris Meissner, Senior Fellow, Migration Policy Institute
8:35 am ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION
9:30 am Break
SESSION VI: BORDER INFRASTRUCTURE AND CONTINENTAL PROSPERITY
Location: Alhambra Room
9:45 am PANEL:
Moderator: Hon. John P. Manley, McCarthy Tetrault LLP
Panelists:
Thomas d’Aquino, Canadian Council of Chief Executives
Carla Hills, Chairman & CEO, Hills & Co.
Luis de la Calle, Consultor
10:20 am ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION
11:00 am SESSION VII: ROUNDTABLE CONVERSATION WITH THE CO-CHAIRS
Location: Alhambra Room
Moderator: Jane Wales, President and CEO, World Affairs Council of
Northern California
Presenters: George Shultz, Co-Chair, North American Forum
Peter Lougheed, Co-Chair, North American Forum
Pedro Aspe, Co-Chair, North American Forum
12:00 pm Adjourn
12:30 pm Informal lunch
Location: Alhambra Room
http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/ ... 3106/print
Sont-ce des thèmes tabous ?
Salut Mike4freedom,
Moi, je ne vois rien de répréhensible dans la liste des thèmes abordés :
- A VISION FOR NORTH AMERICA: ISSUES & OPTIONS
- TOWARD A NORTH AMERICAN ENERGY STRATEGY
- OPPORTUNITIES FOR SECURITY COOPERATION IN NORTH AMERICA
- DEMOGRAPHIC AND SOCIAL DIMENSIONS OF NORTH AMERICAN INTEGRATION
- BORDER INFRASTRUCTURE AND CONTINENTAL PROSPERITY
Tu préférerais que ces sujets ne soient pas abordés ?
Tu préférerais que les échanges internationaux se fassent n'importe comment ? Qu'il n'y ait aucune planification ? Aucune négociation ? Aucune vue d'ensemble ?
Misère !

Les meilleures sorties de route sont celles qui font le moins de tonneaux.
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Re: Sont-ce des thèmes tabous ?
Denis a écrit : Salut Mike4freedom,
Moi, je ne vois rien de répréhensible dans la liste des thèmes abordés :
Moi, je trouve excellent que de tels sujets soient abordés par des panélistes responsables (et diversifiés) des trois pays concernés.
- A VISION FOR NORTH AMERICA: ISSUES & OPTIONS
- TOWARD A NORTH AMERICAN ENERGY STRATEGY
- OPPORTUNITIES FOR SECURITY COOPERATION IN NORTH AMERICA
- DEMOGRAPHIC AND SOCIAL DIMENSIONS OF NORTH AMERICAN INTEGRATION
- BORDER INFRASTRUCTURE AND CONTINENTAL PROSPERITY
Tu préférerais que ces sujets ne soient pas abordés ?
Tu préférerais que les échanges internationaux se fassent n'importe comment ? Qu'il n'y ait aucune planification ? Aucune négociation ? Aucune vue d'ensemble ?
Misère !
Denis
Ce n'est vraiment pas ça que je pense Denis

Je suis tout à fais d'accord d'avoir des discussion sur notre avenir avec nos voisins du sud, mais est-ce que cela doit absolument se faire en secret? Je ne crois pas, s'ils n'ont rien à cacher alors pourquoi se réunir en secret?
Depuis quand est-ce que l'on tolère que nos politicien élu fassent des meetings secret avec l'armée et les corporations?
J'admet que des réunions du genre peuvent être très bonne, mais seulement si la population en générale est au courant que ces réunions ont lieu. Les médias ont ignorer une conférence de cette importance. Ne vois-tu pas qu'il y a un problème mon cher Denis?
"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither" -Benjamin Franklin
C'est de plus en plus sérieux :
Bush voudrait unifier l'Amérique du Nord - Presse Canadienne (PC) Beth Gorham
22/11/2006 - 20h57
http://www.canoe.com/infos/quebeccanada ... 05730.html
Extrait :
...cette idée d'une union de l'Amérique du Nord est dans la tête du président des États-Unis, du président du Mexique et du premier ministre du Canada...
Remarquez, j'étais déjà au courant = Mondialisation.ca - Le 1 decembre 2004
http://www.mondialisation.ca/index.php? ... icleId=270
En résumé, avant longtemps, les canadiens et les mexicains feront bientôt parti des USA.
Alors - qu'en pensez-vous ?
Bush voudrait unifier l'Amérique du Nord - Presse Canadienne (PC) Beth Gorham
22/11/2006 - 20h57
http://www.canoe.com/infos/quebeccanada ... 05730.html
Extrait :
...cette idée d'une union de l'Amérique du Nord est dans la tête du président des États-Unis, du président du Mexique et du premier ministre du Canada...
Remarquez, j'étais déjà au courant = Mondialisation.ca - Le 1 decembre 2004
http://www.mondialisation.ca/index.php? ... icleId=270
En résumé, avant longtemps, les canadiens et les mexicains feront bientôt parti des USA.
Alors - qu'en pensez-vous ?
Ben Garneau = bengarneau@yahoo.ca
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Re: Le Canada devrait-il être annexé aux USA ?
BenGarno a écrit :Bon, ici, on oublie les complots, les anti-Bush et les anti-américains...
Je me pose depuis longtemps la question suivante :
Et si chacune des 10 provinces canadienne devenait un état américain ?
Quels seraient : les impacts - retombées économiques pour nous - avantages et inconvénients ?
Jamais je n'ai vu un estimé de ce que ça donnerait , on pourrait même dresser un bilan , sur 2 colonnes : AVANTAGES vs INCONVÉNIENTS.
Bref, désirez-vous devenir américains ?
Un avantage ou un inconvénient - c'est selon. Si le Canada avait fait partie des É-U lors de la première élection de George Bush, les É-U ne seraient pas en Irak aijourd'hui.
Il a gagné cette élection par moins d'un million de voix. Selon les sondages du temps la grande majorité des Canadiens - je pense à 70% environ - étaient contre la guerre en Irak. Donc, si les Canadiens avaient voté lors de cette élection ils auraient présumément voté contre Bush majoritairement, ce qui aurait donné beaucoup plus qu'un million de votes additionnels à Al Gore.
Les Démocrates au pouvoir alors, nous aurions sans doute une toute autre situation internationale.
Avantage ou inconvénient ?
Notre seul vrai bien : la vie ici et maintenant
Moi j'ai voté oui, nos divergence d'opinion ne sont pas unique, un exemple flagrant est la californie qui est loin d'avoir les mêmes idées que le texas. On a pas les mêmes idées que l'alberta et on fait tout les deux partie du canada.
Mais si j'ai voté oui c'est surtout que j'aimerais devenir président des etats-unis pour m'enrichir, controler les médias et le monde et faire des complots partout
Mais si j'ai voté oui c'est surtout que j'aimerais devenir président des etats-unis pour m'enrichir, controler les médias et le monde et faire des complots partout

"What the hell you starin' at!!"
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Peut-tu m'expliquer ce que tu entend par -Le giron de la raison s'il te plait?truthurts a écrit :Cela ne pourrait être souhaitable que si, et seulement si la population du Canada était moins lobotomisée que celle des USA et contribuait à ramener celle ci dans le giron de la raison mais, à mon avis, c'est pas gagné...
Si vous etes pas content de c'que j'dis ben... Tant pis!
Kékanada...
Salut les A-Sceptiques!
Est-ce que la "Banana Republica Canada" doit s'annexer aux USA ???
Question ridicule! C'est déjà fait...
A qui appartient le pétrole du Kékanada? À ceux qui font le plus de fric avec, voyons donc !!! Not'gro'voisin...
Y-a-t-il au Kékanada un parti qui prône la nationalisation du pétrole !!!
Aucun...Tous des ti-colonisés, des ti-counes fières de leurs gros voisins.
Un sujet HYPER-TABOU dans nos médias corrompus...
Seule l'indépendance du Québec peut assurer un visage français (et fier de l'être) en Amérique du Nord. Le reste, c'est une assimilation lente et inexorable, pour devenir des légumes anglo-saxons. Voulez-vous devenir des puritains hypocrites, pervers et dégénérés, devenez Amarikkkins !
Même les débats d'apparence stériles sont importants, puisque mille fois il faut répéter les arguments les plus simples afin de casser les illusions stupides d'empire bienveillant que nous offre sans cesse nos médias-putes! À vous la parole...
Santé,sécurité et bien-être-spatial.
Est-ce que la "Banana Republica Canada" doit s'annexer aux USA ???
Question ridicule! C'est déjà fait...
A qui appartient le pétrole du Kékanada? À ceux qui font le plus de fric avec, voyons donc !!! Not'gro'voisin...
Y-a-t-il au Kékanada un parti qui prône la nationalisation du pétrole !!!
Aucun...Tous des ti-colonisés, des ti-counes fières de leurs gros voisins.
Un sujet HYPER-TABOU dans nos médias corrompus...
Seule l'indépendance du Québec peut assurer un visage français (et fier de l'être) en Amérique du Nord. Le reste, c'est une assimilation lente et inexorable, pour devenir des légumes anglo-saxons. Voulez-vous devenir des puritains hypocrites, pervers et dégénérés, devenez Amarikkkins !
Même les débats d'apparence stériles sont importants, puisque mille fois il faut répéter les arguments les plus simples afin de casser les illusions stupides d'empire bienveillant que nous offre sans cesse nos médias-putes! À vous la parole...
Santé,sécurité et bien-être-spatial.

Re: Kékanada...
Slut El Stupido
Vinety
Je suis moi même souverainiste depuis 40 ans. Tu as raison, il faut sans cesse répéter le même message pour réveiller les bien pensants qui sont engourdis par les messages mielleux des fédé, empétrés dans leur impérialisme angla.Même les débats d'apparence stériles sont importants, puisque mille fois il faut répéter les arguments les plus simples afin de casser les illusions stupides d'empire bienveillant que nous offre sans cesse nos médias-putes! À vous la parole...
Santé,sécurité et bien-être-spatial.
Vinety
Je ne crois pas que la souveraineté changerait quoi que ce soit. Vous croyez que c'est les américains qui controllent le pétrole du Kakanada? Qui controlle les ressources des américains? Des intérets privés. Tout comme ici, c'est pas les américains qui controllent le Kakanada, c'est les corporations et les banques. C'est évident, c'est sous votre nez.
Constatez l'imposture de notre société. Boisclair est le prochain dictateur du Québec, même séparé ce sera les corporations qui controllera le Québec.
Constatez l'imposture de notre société. Boisclair est le prochain dictateur du Québec, même séparé ce sera les corporations qui controllera le Québec.
Depuis que les Cowboys Fringants ont eu un succès considérable avec leur chanson En Berne, j'entends souvent ce mot là..Petrov a écrit :même séparé ce sera les corporations qui controllera le Québec.
corporation par-ci,
corporation par-là
De quoi est-il question ici au juste? À ce que je sache, une corporation est plus ou moins une association de personnes pratiquant un même métier ou un même art. Voici un exemple de corporation tel que je connais le mot.
Je n'ai pas de dictionnaire à la maison, mais quelquu'un peut-il m'indiquer s'il y a d'autres usages?
En anglais, corporation est ce que l'on appelle en français une compagnie.
anybody in the creation/evolution debate area knows that this is basically a spiritual war. The root of the problem is not a question of what is science or what is truth. [Laurence Tisdall]
Une corporation des corporations
Salut Zwielicht,
À propos du mot "corporation", tu demandes :
Pour ce mot, "mon" dictionnaire des synonymes retourne :Je n'ai pas de dictionnaire à la maison, mais quelqu'un peut-il m'indiquer s'il y a d'autres usages?
Je pense que si on veut donner un sens au mot, le mieux est de viser flouement aux alentours du centre de gravité cognitif de son nuage de synonymes.assemblée, association, collège, communauté, confrérie, congrégation, corps, gilde, guilde, hanse, maîtrise, métier, ordre, société, syndicat.
Ton exemple me paraît excellent. Si, comme le pense Petrov, ils s'accaparent (ou plutôt conservent) le pouvoir politique, ça ne pourra pas aller plus mal que ça va présentement.
À moins que toutes les corporations se regroupent en "corporation des corporations", ou en "corporation des corporations de corporations". Là, ça risque de déraper, si ça tombe entre les mains d'un gros méchant sans foi ni loi.
J'en ai des frissons dans le dos.

Les meilleures sorties de route sont celles qui font le moins de tonneaux.
Corporation
Salut Zweilicth
Au Québec, une corporation est une association de compagnies de même domaine, qui protège, fait la promotions des compagnies membres, leurs offres des conseils techniques et toutes sortes de services pouvant aider les membres de cette corporation.
Le mot corporation vient sûrement de L' Américains!
Mes amitiés et joyeux Noël.
Vinety
Au Québec, une corporation est une association de compagnies de même domaine, qui protège, fait la promotions des compagnies membres, leurs offres des conseils techniques et toutes sortes de services pouvant aider les membres de cette corporation.
Le mot corporation vient sûrement de L' Américains!
Mes amitiés et joyeux Noël.
Vinety
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