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Re:Re:So what ?


Re: Re:So what ? -- Florence
Postée par Jean-Francois , May 25,2000,13:13 Index  Forum

Dis, Florence, as-tu une idée pourquoi Ody n'a toujours pas compris que c'est à ceux qui affirment de prouver leur dire? Ici, ce n'est pas aux athées (ou agnostiques) de démontrer l'existence de Dieu, mais aux croyants d'en faire la preuve... que celle-ci soit empirique ou simplement théorique. Est-ce que tu crois qu'il lit vraiment les messages qu'on lui adresse?

Autre chose amusante avec son "so, what?", c'est que dans un de ces anciens messages il disait que la scientologie est négative. Je me demande comment il arrive à déterminer ça? et à rendre cette idée compatible avec la philosophie qu'il développe ici?

Jean-François

P.S.: As-tu lu cet article du CISCOP: http://www.csicop.org/sb/9912/inklings.html ? C'est un essai qui cherche à montrer que tout "Livre" (Bible, Coran,...) est un obstacle à la connaissance. J'aime bien ce paragraphe:

"It [l'absence d'un système religieux strict] might also help to explain why it was in ancient Greece that science had its one and only beginning on this planet. The ancient Greeks, you see, had no Sacred Book. There was no holy, indisputable, God-dictated Book to which you could refer to obtain a final ruling. There was no ultimate authority to consult if you wanted an answer to your questions about the world. If you wanted to know something, your only recourse was to sit down and figure it out. And if you wanted to convince others of the correctness of your solution, you had to set out your reasoning and see if they bought it."

Ainsi que celui-ci:

"In the words of biologist Lewis Wolpert: "Thales of Miletos, who lived in about 600 b.c., was the first we know of who tried to explain the world not in terms of myths but in more concrete terms, terms that might be subjected to verification." Simply keeping a tally of events doesn't count as science. "There is thus nothing in the Egyptian cosmology which even tries to account for Ra's journeys or their seasonal variations." And Buddhist doctrines were of no help to cosmologists in ancient China: "Even though the Chinese were the most persistent and accurate observers of celestial phenomena before the Renaissance, they did not develop a planetary theory and they did not have access to a geometrical theory. There was no Chinese Euclid." On the contrary, "the Chinese, often thought of as scientists, were expert engineers, but made negligible contributions to science." "

Même si je ne sais pas trop quoi penser de la vision de la relation Chine-Bouddhisme qui y est présentée.


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